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AUXLANG February 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Vatican Using Latino sine Flexione?

From:

Paul Bartlett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 7 Feb 2014 21:09:52 -0500

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On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:25:11 -0500, MacLeod Dave <[log in to unmask]>  
wrote:

> 2014-02-07 Paul Bartlett <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 08:17:16 -0500, Stephen Rice <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote (excerpted):
>>
>>>  On 2/3/14, Paul Bartlett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have never had the opportunity to show extended texts of LsF to a  
>>>> "real"
>>>> Latinist. It might be interesting. Maybe, maybe not see LsF as
>>>> bastardized, just simplified.
>>>
>>> I'm reasonably certain Latinists would view LsF as you do Inlis, and
>>> for similar reasons: Why learn bad Latin? Just learn the regular  
>>> language!
>>
>> On second thought, however, there could be a practical difference.  
>> English
>> is already such a major world language (if we may call it that), with
>> scores, hundreds of millions of proficient speakers, that a simplified  
>> form
>> such as Inlis might have no real possibility of success against the  
>> "just
>> learn the real thing" attitude. On the other hand, the number of
>> individuals genuinely proficient in Latin today is minuscule in the  
>> world's
>> population, so if a language such as Latino sine Flexione in all its
>> analytic and phonemic glory were to be presented to the world (as it  
>> were),
>> the few Latinists might not have enough "pull" to be a significant
>> objection. The situation is different from that of English. Let the
>> Latinists cavil with LsF, and it might be minor. Let the "Englishists"
>> cavil with Inlis (or whatever), and it might be a big deal.

> One thought to add to that: it could be interesting to find some audio  
> from
> the Latin immersion programs being practiced today. It will be most  
> likely
> rife with errors, and quite possibly some parts that sound a lot like LsF
> when a user totally forgets the conjugation of a verb or declension of a
> noun. Then just make the case that LsF is merely a standardization of the
> Latin people nowadays tend to unconsciously want to use.

A third thought occurs to me. :) Suppose someone were to exclaim, "Just  
learn **REAL** English!!!" by which he meant Anglo-Saxon (Old English).  
After all, there are a few scholars who might be able to converse in  
Anglo-Saxon. Nevertheless, today we speak a kind of bastardized English  
without the (relatively) cumbersome inflections. Similarly, there are  
those few who can converse in Latin, but LsF would be a less cumbersome  
form. We might say (i.e., loosely speaking), Latino sine Flexione is to  
"real" Latin as modern English is to Anglo-Saxon. But it stops there with  
a comparison to forms such as Inlis relative to widespread actual English,  
whereas the LsF/Latin distinction has no contemporary counterpart.

-- 
Paul Bartlett

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