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CONLANG February 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: The Imperative as a pronoun

From:

Gleki Arxokuna <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:40:36 +0400

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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> You!  Imperative!  Discuss!  Pronoun!  Ye!
>
> So far I can find three languages that use a case to indicate an imperative
> utterance (one of which, Lojban, has been mentioned in this conversation
> before).  I find it interesting that in each of these languages it seems
> that the imperative mood (if one can speak of such in these cases) is a bit
> broader than in English.
>
> I:  Lojban.
>
> Lojban's imperative pronoun "ko" seems to be an innovation, for I find no
> such thing in Loglan.  Indeed, according to the primer that I found, one
> simply omits the "subject" slot to form an imperative:
>

Yes, it is a noticeable fix (although English and Chinese work in a similar
way zero morpheme is something illogical).

>
> Ridle ti!
> "Read this!"
>
> The following examples from Lojban are found in the Lojban Primer:
>
> ko bajra
> "Run!"
>
> nelci ko
> "Act so that someone like you!"
>
> mi dunda le cifnu ko
> "Act so that I give the baby to you!"
> (I really like this sentence!)
>
> ko kurji ko
> "Act so that you take care of yourself!"
>
> II:  Bolak, the Blue Language of Léon Bollack
>
> From what I can find of Bolak, it seems that the personal pronouns had
> their own vocative case which could be used to form imperatives and
> jussives and the like:
>
> Pronouns:
>
> Me - I
> Em -  Oh me!
> Te - Thou
> Et - Oh thou!
>
> I find these examples:
>
> Te komo.
> "You come."
>
> Et komo!
> "Come!"
>
> Em komo!
> "Let me come!"
>
> III:  A silly language:
>
> There are many ways to form imperatives in Khlìjha.  The two most common
> ways are to use the suffixes -étyai or khrúju:
>
> Fhefhyumet-étyai!
> Stand.on.tippy.toes.sing-IMP
> "Stand on your tippy toes!"
>
> Khmàyor khrúju!
> March IMP
> "March!"
>
> Tiikhii-yétyai!
> Giggle.plural-IMP
> "Giggle, ye!"
>
> If a subject is mentioned, even a personal pronoun, then the suffixes
> -étyai and khrúju may be rendered as "have to," "must," "needs to," and the
> like.
>
> Fhefhyumet-étyai Sàraxim!
> Stand.on.tippy.toes.sing-IMP princess
> "The Princess needs to stand on her tippy toes!"
>
> Khmàyor khrúju páwa-xang!
> March IMP peacock-THREE
> "The three peacocks must march!"
>
> Tiikhii-yétyai jhein!
> Giggle.plural-IMP ye.twain
> "Both of you have to giggle!"
>
> If the subject is in the vocative case, however, the clause is best
> translated as a command.  This means that even pronouns end up in the
> vocative case, in this particular instance.  This is actually quite handy,
> because it allows one to move the subject, plus the vocative case has so
> many honorifics waiting to be used.
>
> Jónga-Sàraxim fhefhyumet-étyai!
> OH.YOUNG-princess stand.on.tippy.toes.singular-IMP
> "Oh young Princess, stand on your tippy toes!"
>
> Khmàyor khrúju jheîsa-páwa-xang!
> March IMP OH.FRIEND-peacock-THREE
> "Oh three peacocks, my friends, march!"
>
> Pétsi-jhein tiikhii-yétyai!
> OH.AGED-ye.twain giggle.plural-IMP
> "Both of you, venerable with age, giggle!"
>
> Return!  To regularly scheduled!  Program!  You!
>

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