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CONLANG  February 2014, Week 1

CONLANG February 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Type 3 Incorporation

From:

Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:44:16 -0600

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ASL classifiers are indeed hand shapes. For example, the three-hand is
used as the classifier for vehicles. Want to describe how your car
moved as it skidded along the icy highway? Bust out your 3-hand and
recreate the motion within the signing space.

And, fort the most part, I would agree that classifiers are a closed
class (3 for vehicles, 1 for people, Y for fat people, B for flat
things, C for cylindrical things, F for small round things), but in
poetry it is very common for EVERY word in the poem to be, in essence,
an ad hoc classifier -- especially poetry of the alphabet or counting
variety.

Adam

On 2/3/14, Siva Kalyan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I thought a classifier is a particular handshape that's used to refer to an
> active entity of a particular category; not a region of space (though what
> you're describing no doubt has a similar function). A quick Google search
> seems to confirm this: see
> http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-signs/classifiers/classifiers-frame.htm.
>
>
> I'm quite out of my depth here, regarding both ASL and noun incorporation!
>
>
> Siva
>
> Sent with Mail Pilot
>
>
>
> On 3 Feb 2014 19:40:02, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote: On 3 February 2014 09:30, Siva Kalyan
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Note, though, that ASL classifiers are probably a closed class (at least
>> going by the fact that they are in spoken languages), whereas Type 3
>> incorporation is fully productive.
>>
>>
> AFAIK, if I'm not remembering it completely wrong (I might!), ASL
> classifiers are basically *regions of space* in front of the signer that
> are designated in some way as having pronominal force for some kind of
> previously introduced referent. If that's so, then the only limitation I
> can imagine in the number of classifiers in use at a single moment is
> people's cognitive abilities, and the only limitation in general is
> people's ability to distinguish between two similar but not identical
> positions in space. Whether that makes them a "closed class" is debatable.
>
> And Type 3 incorporation might not always be fully productive. I think I
> remember reading about a language that only incorporates objects nouns that
> have a special "incorporated" form. Nouns that lack this form cannot be
> incorporated. In such a case, even Type 3 incorporation cannot be fully
> productive.
> --
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
> President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org/)
>
> Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
>

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