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CONLANG March 2014, Week 1

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Re: Feb08 and other variations

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qiihoskeh <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 2 Mar 2014 13:07:26 -0500

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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 09:26:44 -0500, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 08:36:05 -0500, qiihoskeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>Each noun implicitly has one of 5 genders: Donor, Recipient, Theme, Location, and Instrument (abbreviated D, R, T, L, and I). Each verb has an argument structure which matches a set of genders to each semantic role. For example, a typical transitive verb (without causative marking) has agent = D, patient = R or T, location = L, and instrument = I. If a noun phrase or pronoun has the expected gender for its role, no marking is needed, but if it doesn't, an enclitic gender override is needed.
>
>This is very much like the sort of system I was playing with a bit last year for a loglang sketch (working name Sprunnels, I don't think I ever mentioned it here). The point was to have lightweight coreference-indicating morphology but to avoid use of a stack, numbered lists of arguments, or anything else that required nontrivial counting. What I settled on was that there were a bunch of more or less pronouns, one for each of a list of roles, and every predicate had overridable defaults as to which of these pronouns were its arguments; doing this to a noun-like predicate was a lot like marking it for case. Beyond the things on your list I had been imagining an Event role for Davidsonian arguments, a Time role, perhaps a Group role 'cause conjunctions were bothering me.
>

Interesting. So far time expressions are handled as adjuncts.

>(I maintain, by the way, that if one adopts as a principle that loglangs have no morphosyntactic alignment, one is doomed to make loglangs with bad morphosyntactic alignments.)
>
>>man cat see. "The man sees the cat."
>>man=R cat=D see. "The cat sees the man."
>
>I would've expected the class of D nouns to be animates (after all, animacy basically is suitability as agent), so I'm mildly surprised that "cat" is an R noun.
>
>In fact, this is how given your five genders I woulda first thought to broken down the assignments:
> D: animates
> T: um, probably abstracts and non-physical things (though that's less good for ditransitives)
> I: tools
> L: places
> R: everything else
>Is your assignment a lot different?
>
>Alex

D and R are animate while T, L, and I are inanimate. T is any inanimate that isn't a tool or a place. D is approximately adult persons, while R is approximately children and animals.

possibly more later.

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