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CONLANG March 2014, Week 1

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Re: "writing down an unwritten language"

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Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:20:16 -0500

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Welcome, Rowan!

On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:19:30 +0000, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On 26/02/2014 14:42, Kevin Walker wrote:
>> especially since U seems to do double duty in as [w], at
>>  least in the word "Nakui," with W only appearing after U
>>  in the text given.
>
>We don't know the details here. Possibly in "Nakui" [w] is
>regarded as an allophone of /u/.  But, as you rightly
>observe, _w_ does occur, but only, apparently, after _u_.
>That does look a bit weird and it would be nice to know
>what's going on.
[...]
>Also we have no evidence that I know of that Glen Greenlaw
>was using specifically English values for the letters.
>Indeed Nakui = ['nakwi] strongly suggests that he was not,
>as I have observed above.

At the top of my list of hypotheses is that this "knock we" business is a simplification, filtered through Cook's ears and pen, for a linguistically naive English-spreaking audience, and we should not take for granted that the indigenous pronunciation of Nakui is indeed [nakwi] as opposed to, e.g., [nakuj] or something else more foreign.  I don't think it's good evidence for inferring what _u_ is doing in Greenlaw's script.

On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:23:52 -0600, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>However, q *is* used as a vowel in the orthography for Natqgu, as are c and
>x
and r and z.  

How did I not know about Natqgu, though?  It looks entirely impenetrable to anyone who grew up with a more normal use of the Latin alphabet.  Here's a sample, from http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Melanesia/natqgu_book.pdf (item 7):

| Yawe, Gct kc tqrninr, King nepnz'me mzlikc bqnc,  
| Nzwz-krmqng myapx-esz'ngr x kctipxkrng.  
| Nqmq krmqng daangidr x tubq-esz'ngr.  
| Leplz nzmya'titrlr nim. Nim txpwz kxtr-esz'ngr,  
| Lr nrlc amrlx sa navzmqng mz nzangio-krdr nim.  
| Murde aelwapxpe-ngrn nqmq krmqng kxtubq.  
| Glxkr zluli r Trte, x Mrlxde, x Mqngrkxtr.  
| Dakc tqwai-pnz'le mz noude, krlzmle mzlika,  
| x kxnamu-zvzpele lc. Tqyc, tqyc. Eu.  

On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:16:03 +0000, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On 25/02/2014 10:29, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
>> The last remark is interesting: the language has very
>> complex verbs, but all regular (with a single exception,
>>  the verb "to go"), and this despite a fast rate of
>> language change (at least according to the interviewee). [...]
>
>I wonder what's happening there also.  I take the whole of
>that last paragraph with quite a sizeable pinch of salt.

Yeaaah, that paragraph is pervaded with the sort of anthropological ethnocentrism that I thought was supposed to have gone out of style in the early 20C, with a soup├žon of the old "you should learn Latin in school 'cause it's inherently more logical" mode of thought as well.  Everything they put their minds to is a barbarian shambles!  But their language they don't put their minds to so it's still full of Godly perfection.  

Alex

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