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Re: What is the word for digit (finger/toe) in your language?

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Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 6 Mar 2014 19:59:33 -0800

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As a result of this thread, I've uncovered a weird inconsistency in my Kash vocab.---

'finger (in gen'l)' is _ešu˝a_ < e- 'specific thing that does the base' + šu˝a 'grasp', lit. the thing that grasps

But some fingers have specific names:
ešundraka (ešu˝a + raka 'big') is the middle finger
ambilus 'thumb' (< ama 'father' + nilus 'hand' = father of the hand)
kandaken 'index finger' (agentive noml. kaN- + taken 'to point'= the pointer)...but
andilus 'all other fingers (except the middle)' < ana 'child' + nilus 'hand'= children of the hand

(Kash don't wear rings, so there's no special name for the 4th finger; the little finger ought to be something like "andiluši"< andilus + -ci 'diminutive suffix' but it isn't in the dictionary (at present...)

but weirdly 'toe' is ešumbik (ešu˝a + -mik 'little') but then--
amekaran 'big toe' (ama + e- 'specifier' + -karan 'foot' < haran 'to walk', so 'father of the (thing that) walks/the walker')

Obviously, the toes of Kash people are not "graspers". "Toe, in genl." should probably beá _anekaran_ (ana + ekaran, parallel with andilus.)-- also to be entered in the dictionary at some point

Oh the miseries of vocab. creation. Whatever was I thinking when I made up "ešumbik 'toe' "????

Interestingly IIRC in Indonesian and some of its relatives, the thumb is "the mother" of the hand; the index, as in kash, is based on 'to point'. And offhand I don't remember the word for finger/digit; I suspect 'toe' would be (finger/digit) [of the] kaki 'foot'





On Thursday, March 6, 2014 4:01 PM, Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 
Sometimes the generic/specific path goes the other way. For example,
"glove" in German is "Handschuh" ("hand-shoe").



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Thomas Ruhm <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Berbice Dutch and some other Caribbean creoles have words for 'toe'
> meaning 'foot finger'. In Berbice Dutch it is 'bwa-fingri'. This is an
> attested word. That means I didn't make it myself.
>
> Many Romance languages don't have the distinction between toes and
> fingers. In Raeto-Romance both are 'det'.
>

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