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CONLANG  March 2014, Week 1

CONLANG March 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Non-specific nouns

From:

Sylvia Sotomayor <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 3 Mar 2014 07:59:58 -0800

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On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On 3 March 2014 02:11, Sylvia Sotomayor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > >
> > There's no overt definiteness marking. Nouns inflect for number and
> > motility. There are three slots in the sentence that a noun can go in:
> > subject, which is nearly always motile; source, which can be motile or
> > sessile depending on animacy; and destination, which is nearly always
> > sessile.
> >
> >
> OK, when I look at the data, it seems that the motility inflection is not
> really comparable to a case inflection, as it doesn't really mark for
> function in the sentence. Rather, the position of the word in the sentence
> marks function. Am I right? Or are those "slots" indicated by the motility
> inflection?


By word order, though motility inflection can sometimes help distinguish
where one slot ends and the next begins.



>
> > susi and daka can only appear in the source and destination slots, and
> they
> > are numberless and assumed sessile. When, for some reason, place or path
> > are in the subject slot, the words sota and tona are substituted, and
> those
> > can be inflected for number and motility like any noun. They can also be
> > turned specifically definite with pronominal demonstratives: da sota
> "this
> > place".
> >
> >
> I have a question here: you say that "susi" and "daka" can only appear in
> the source and destination slots. Is the converse also true, i.e. "sota"
> and "tona" can only appear in the subject slot? Or can those two also
> appear in the other slots? (maybe with a different meaning) In any case, it
> looks like some kind of suppletion is going on, maybe due to stress? (like
> how French pronouns _je, me_ are only used when unstressed, and _moi_ is
> used in all positions where the pronoun is stressed, regardless of
> function). Or maybe simply due to function...
>
>
> sota and tona can appear in the source and destination slots, where they
are definitely definite.



> > Which is why I kinda think of these as indefinite pronouns, though that's
> > not really the right term, either, I think.
> >
>
> They look like suppletive defective forms to me. Knowing the exact
> distribution of "sota" and "tona" would help classify them better I think.
> --
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
> President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org/)
>
> Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
>



-- 
Sylvia Sotomayor

The sooner I fall behind the more time I have to catch up.

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