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Re: Talmit: dictionary of phrasal compounds

From:

Guilherme Santos <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:55:58 -0300

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I am kind of stealing the ideas in this thread, and i have to thank you. I
have been thinking about doing compound verbs for a while, you just gave me
how.


2014-03-17 16:01 GMT-03:00 Roman Rausch <[log in to unmask]>:

> >Well, not in Western Indo-European languages, but they are common in Hindi
> >and other Indo-Aryan languages. They are also found in Modern Greek, but
> >are somewhat restricted in their form and use.
>
> Ah, okay - Indo-Aryan is a complete gap in my brain, I have to admit.
>
> >> The dictionary begins with giving the constituents:
> >> V1 _abaku_ 'expose some criminal or confidential matter'
> >That is one heck of a specific meaning for such a short stem! My
> dictionary
> >says it means "to disclose, to divulge, to expose" in general, which feels
> >more like it :).
>
> You're right, the authors rather seem to give the meaning which the
> constituents take in the compound. They also gloss _dasu_ as 'dig out and
> expose', but the actual meaning is more like 'take out, produce'.
>
> >That last one is a great idiomatic compound! I might just steal it for
> >Moten! :P
>
> You have my blessing. :-)
>
> >It's indeed a great way to present compounds, especially given how they
> >work in Talmit. Are those the only kinds of compounds you have in the
> >language, or can you just put stems together without a joining element?
>
> There are usual compounds, of course, including verb-verb compounds which
> work just like in Japanese - by using a compound verb form which in Talmit
> is _-en-_. For example, from _gánun_ 'go' and _gínun/gίun_ 'see' (<ίu> =
> [ɨʊ̯]). one can form _gánen-gínun/gánen-gίun_ 'go-see' (in a phrasal
> compound _gárugi_). Some roots which I call 'light' can also use the blank
> stem: _de-gínun, de-gίun_ 'do-see' = 'try'. 'Heavy' roots, on the other
> hand, cannot be used as blank stems and cannot form phrasal compounds
> either, so there is for example _táplen-kádun_ 'say-push' = 'coerce', but
> neither _**tapl_ nor _**kad_ are allowed because _-d_ and final clusters
> are prohibited.
>

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