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CONLANG March 2014, Week 4

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Re: The Legionnaires in Oz

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Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:52:55 -0500

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I absolutely love _The Last Battle_, the first time I read it, as an adult,
I had tears streaming down my face, on a public bus in Taiwan.  I got a few
strange looks to say the least.  I really like _Out of the Silent Planet_
and there are parts of _Perelandra_ that I enjoy, but _That Hideous
Strength_ just fails for me, even thought I'm in very close agreement with
the theology.  It's just not a very good book.  Lewis is one of my very
favorite authors, both for fiction and for non-fiction, but even he fails
me at times.

Adam


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > How much actual conlanging did Lewis actually do?  He certainly
> > was aware of Tolkien's project, but he may not have realized the
> > full depth and scope of it.  I cannot say anything about the
>
> It has been a long time, but back in the day I read several
> biographies of Lewis, a couple of volumes of his letters, Tolkien's
> letters and at least one biography of him, and Humphrey Carpenter's
> _The Inklings_.  At this point I can't remember what I read in which
> book, but in any case, I seem to recall that Tolkien thought Lewis had
> not understood his conlanging and worldbuilding as well as he thought
> he had; he tried to work in references to Tolkien's (then-unpublished)
> work in the Ransom trilogy, but Tolkien wasn't particularly pleased
> with them.  Part of the problem seems to have been that Lewis heard
> Tolkien's work read aloud more than he actually read in manuscript, so
> he got some spellings wrong (e.g. Numinor for Númenor IIRC).
>
> > languages of Narnia as I have neither read the books nor seen
> > the films (critique that amounted to "Lewis tries to shove his
> > narrow-minded religious stance down the reader's throat with a
> > poker" put me off).
>
> It's not that bad in most of the books, with the exception of _That
> Hideous Strength_ (as you note) and _The Last Battle_.  I tend to skip
> the latter when re-reading the Chronicles of Narnia.
>
> > Ransom appears to have been an individual equipped to make a
> > fairly good analysis of the language, better than Dorothy, John
>
> I seem to recall that Lewis deliberately based Ransom on Tolkien, at
> least to some extent.  I'm pretty sure the other main human characters
> in that book were also based on real people -- not friends of Lewis --
> but I can't recall whom.
>
> > roughly contemporaneous to Lewis's novel.  (I think that the two
> > writers *did* entertain the notion that their works are set in
> > the same universe.)
>
> The references Lewis worked into the Ransom trilogy, and (IIRC) their
> attempted collaboration on some stories that were never finished,
> suggest that they did plan things that way at some point.  But I think
> Tolkien was unsatisfied with the linkages or the way Lewis implemented
> them and moved away from them later on.
>
> --
> Jim Henry
> http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
> http://www.jimhenrymedicaltrust.org
>

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