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CONLANG  March 2014, Week 4

CONLANG March 2014, Week 4

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Re: Correct my Latin

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BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:22:26 +0100

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2014-03-23 11:16, Pete Bleackley skrev:
> But does "salvete ad linguificalia" make sense?

Nope, not by my hunches. Linguificia (n.pl.) possibly. But I'd
defer that to Ray! :-)

Latin didn't really use -ical- that much -- it's English which
for some reason insists on **spelling** _*-icly_ as _-ically_
which has spawned backformed adjectives and nouns in _-ical_, the
Latin equivalents of which to the extent they exists have only
_-ic_. Moreover _-ficium_ doesn't contain the _-ic-_ suffix, but
an allomorph of the root _fac_. At one period Latin had word
initial stress, and vowels in unstressed syllables tended to be
reduced to _i_.

What about a Latinate conlang?

Benvineud alla Conlengheríe, la transmissiaunete saur eun lingh
chenstreutx e saulli gint chi li fatxáunen.

[bɪnvɪˈnyd ˌaɽˡə ˌkɔnlɪŋgɪˈɾiə lə ˌtʁãzmɪsjawˈnɛtɪ ˌsawɾ yn liŋg
kɪ̃stˈʁytʃ ɪ ˌsawɽˡɪ ˈdʒint kɪ lɪ faˈtʃawnɪn]

BENE *UENUTOS/-AS AD-ILLA *CONLINGUERIA, ILLA *TRANSMISSIONITTA
SUPER *UNAS LINGUAS CONSTRUCTAS ET SUPER-ILLAS GENTES QUAS ILLAS
*FACTIONANT

Romlangs -- even natlang ones ;-) -- are quite removed from Latin
but its way easier to be a modern and speak about modern things
in them! As you can see the literal Latin 'translation' isn't
anything close to Latin!

/Bendetx

>
> --
> Pete
> The Fantastical Devices of Pete The Mad Scientist - http://fantasticaldevices.blogspot.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:10
> Subject: Re: Correct my Latin
>
> I personally would use 'saluete' because "bene venisti" still sounds out of place to me.
>
> Quoting Pete Bleackley <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Thank you to everybody who's contributed so far. Second draft is
>>
>> bene venisti ad linguificium, orationem per interete de linguis
>> exstructis eisque qui eas creant.
>>
>> Further comments?
>>
>> --
>> Pete
>> The Fantastical Devices of Pete The Mad Scientist -
>> http://fantasticaldevices.blogspot.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:33
>> Subject: Re: Correct my Latin
>>
>> On 22/03/2014 12:01, BPJ wrote:
>>> To begin with it's certainly "linguificium"
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> if not "glossopoësiam". "Ficatum" means 'stuffed with
>>> figs' y'know!
>>
>> 	:)
>>
>>> Since everything Greek is fair game in Latin I feel
>>> glossopoea/glossopoësis/-sia, glossopoëta and
>>> glossopoema to be felicitous terms.
>>
>> If a Greek-derived form is preferred, I would argue for
>> _glossopoeia_.
>> http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Glosso/Glossopoeia.html#derivation
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> "Bene ueniti" doesn't sound right, or at least not
>>> Classical, though I'm too far from my books to look it up
>>> ATM
>>
>> It's not right in any sort of Latin! Mainly because
>> _veniti_ (or _ueniti_) ain't Latin.
>> ============================================================
>>
>>   On 22/03/2014 12:18, François Rémond wrote:
>>> I would think it is syntaxically correct,
>>
>> No, it isn't. There are several syntactic errors.
>>
>> [snip]
>>> More idiomatically, One could say something like :
>>>
>>> - bene veniti estis --> bene venistis (a form of
>>> greeting attested in medieval latin charts)
>>
>> The perfect participle of _venire_ is, in fact, VENTUM -
>> and, as the verb is intransitive, the perfect participle may
>> be used *only* impersonal constructions, e.g. ad castrum
>> ventum est - they/people/we [etc.] came to the camp.
>>
>> If you want to use "you are welcome" i.e. You have come
>> well/ vous êtes bien venus - the indeed it is 'bene
>> venistis'. I have no doubt it does occur as a greeting in
>> Medieval Latin.
>>
>> The Classical Latin is _salvete_.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> - I'm not sure the comma would be sufficiently
>>> significant in latin grammar in the sentence
>>> "linguificatum, orationem per interrete...", to mean
>>> "Conlangery *which is* the Podcast...".
>>
>> Comma is OK.
>>
>> [snip]
>>> - For the last part of of the sentence, I think the
>>> natural latin form would be more synthetic : Why not try
>>> something like " et de creatoribus eorum" instead of "
>>> et de hominibus qui eum creant" ?
>>
>> _hominibus qui ..._ is not natural. It sounds as though you
>> want to single out only humans who create languages :)
>>
>> The idiomatic Latin is simply: eis qui ...
>>
>> But _eum_ is completely wrong. It's singular masculine;
>> _lingua_ (language) is feminine, and we want the plural.
>> the pronoun should be _eas_.
>> ============================================================
>>
>>   On 22/03/2014 13:10, Siva Kalyan wrote:
>>> My attempt:
>>>
>>> Tē salvēre jubēmus, quÄ« ad nostrÄ?s Å?rÄ?tiÅ?nēs dē fictÅ«rÄ?
>>> linguÄ?rum eÄ?rumque fictÅ?ribus auscultandum vēnistÄ«.
>>>
>>> Literally: "We bid you to be healthy, (you) who have
>>> come to listen to our speeches about the invention of
>>> languages and about their (i.e. the languages')
>>> inventors."
>>
>> This is nice, and is not obviously Latin "translationese" :)
>>
>> But in the _ad+gerund(ive) construction, we need the
>> gerundive here as the verb is transitive, so:
>> .... quÄ« ad nostrÄ?s Å?rÄ?tiÅ?nēs ... auscultandÄ?s.
>>
>> _Tē salvēre jubēmus_ could, of course, be simply _salve_ :)
>>
>> It should be noted that in Siva's version "you" is singular.
>>   Peter's version implies he wants "you" to be plural. If so
>> then amend it thus:
>>
>> VÅ?s salvēre jubēmus/ Salvētē,
>> quÄ« ad nostrÄ?s Å?rÄ?tiÅ?nēs dē fictÅ«rÄ? linguÄ?rum eÄ?rumque
>> fictÅ?ribus auscultandÄ?s vēnistis.
>>
>> --
>> Ray
>> ==================================
>> http://www.carolandray.plus.com
>> ==================================
>> "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
>> wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
>> [J.G. Hamann, 1760]
>> "A mind that thinks at its own expense
>> will always interfere with language".
>>
>

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