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Re: Correct my Latin

From:

Siva Kalyan <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:27:02 +1100

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Thank you! I'm learning a lot from this thread.

We should have exercises like this more often (but alas, Latin is a
natlang…).

Siva

2014年3月25日火曜日、R A Brown<[log in to unmask]>さんは書きました:

> I've been incredibly busy over the past three or days and
> haven't had time to address this thread as properly as I
> would wish.  But i make a few observations below:
>
> On 23/03/2014 20:02, Siva Kalyan wrote:
>
>> It should be "linguificialia" (extra "i" in there)—see
>> Ray's analogical derivation of the term.
>>
>
> Yep.
>
>  "Ācta", according to my dictionary, means "public
>> records" or "proceedings", not quite what you mean
>> (unless the podcast is mainly a report on activities at
>> the last LCS conference). Thus I would say, "auditiones
>> linguificiales".
>>
>
> _acta_ is, of course, the perfect passive participle of
> _agere_ (to put into motion; to direct, govern; to manage,
> administer; to act; to transact - etc.), used a neuter
> plural noun.  Yes, the common meaning of _acta_ was
> "records" - often understood to mean _acta publica_ "public
> records", but not necessarily so.
>
> _acta linguificialia_ would mean "conlangery records."
>
> _auditio_ = "a hearing, report, news" - _auditiones
> linguificiales_ = "conlangery news"
>
>  I wonder if "discepto" is the right verb to use here; it
>>  looks like it means not just "discuss", but "debate" or
>>  "dispute".
>>
>
> Yes, it would not be used of an informal discussion, but
> does refer more specifically to formal debate.  It is used
> particularly of legal proceedings.
>
>  I would go with "tracto", which seems more neutral.
>>
>
> I'm not over-keen on _tracto_ either. I think I would
> probably for _dissero_.  But the main problem with all these
> words is that in Latin neither _acta_ nor _auditiones_ would
> be subjects of such words.  It's _people_ who discuss
> things, not records or reports.  We want "in which
> one/we/people discuss ...." (impersonal passive)
>
>  Also, I'd place the verb at the end of the sentence.
>>
>
> Certainly more Classical     :)
>
>  Finally, "exstruo" seems to mean "construct" in the sense
>> of "build up",
>>
>
> 'to pile up, rear, erect, construct [a building]"
>
> Not really what one does in conlanging   ;)
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> Thus, my suggestion:
>>
>> Salvēte. Hæc sunt auditiōnēs linguificiālēs, quæ dē
>> linguīs fictīs eārumque fictōribus tractant.
>>
>
> I would modify this slightly thus:
> Salvēte. Hæc sunt auditiōnēs linguificiālēs, in quibus dē
> linguīs fictīs eārumque fictōribus disseritur.
>
> This exercise reminds me (tho on a smaller scale) of Latin
> Prose Composition we did at school in the 1950s.  I recall
> at least one exercise was to take the 3rd leader in 'The
> Times' editorial of the day and put it into Latin.  In
> those far off days 'The Times' was still a respected
> newspaper - before Rupert Murdoch got his hands on it and
> turned it into yet another tabloid   :(
>
> --
> Ray
> ==================================
> http://www.carolandray.plus.com
> ==================================
> "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
> wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
> [J.G. Hamann, 1760]
> "A mind that thinks at its own expense
> will always interfere with language".
>

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