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CONLANG  March 2014, Week 4

CONLANG March 2014, Week 4

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Re: Correct my Latin

From:

Siva Kalyan <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:42:29 +1100

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In the Bible (which of course has tons of foreign names), they were
mostly indeclinable (including, I think, "Jesus"; but certainly "Adam" and
"Abraham"). But that isn't Classical Latin.

For Classical Latin, we'd have to look at how Punic names were treated. (I
have a Loeb edition of Plautus's "Poenulus" from the library, and could
check.)

2014年3月25日火曜日、Jeffrey Daniel Rollin-Jones<[log in to unmask]>さんは書きました:

> Why not just leave "Conlangery" as it is? I'm not sure whether Latin left
> foreign names as they were, if they didn't conform to Latin morphology
> (like "indeclinables" in Russian), or if it always mangled them to fit.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 24 Mar 2014, at 21:27, Siva Kalyan <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you! I'm learning a lot from this thread.
> >
> > We should have exercises like this more often (but alas, Latin is a
> > natlang…).
> >
> > Siva
> >
> > 2014年3月25日火曜日、R A Brown<[log in to unmask]>さんは書きました:
> >
> >> I've been incredibly busy over the past three or days and
> >> haven't had time to address this thread as properly as I
> >> would wish. But i make a few observations below:
> >>
> >>> On 23/03/2014 20:02, Siva Kalyan wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It should be "linguificialia" (extra "i" in there)—see
> >>> Ray's analogical derivation of the term.
> >>
> >> Yep.
> >>
> >> "Ācta", according to my dictionary, means "public
> >>> records" or "proceedings", not quite what you mean
> >>> (unless the podcast is mainly a report on activities at
> >>> the last LCS conference). Thus I would say, "auditiones
> >>> linguificiales".
> >>
> >> _acta_ is, of course, the perfect passive participle of
> >> _agere_ (to put into motion; to direct, govern; to manage,
> >> administer; to act; to transact - etc.), used a neuter
> >> plural noun. Yes, the common meaning of _acta_ was
> >> "records" - often understood to mean _acta publica_ "public
> >> records", but not necessarily so.
> >>
> >> _acta linguificialia_ would mean "conlangery records."
> >>
> >> _auditio_ = "a hearing, report, news" - _auditiones
> >> linguificiales_ = "conlangery news"
> >>
> >> I wonder if "discepto" is the right verb to use here; it
> >>> looks like it means not just "discuss", but "debate" or
> >>> "dispute".
> >>
> >> Yes, it would not be used of an informal discussion, but
> >> does refer more specifically to formal debate. It is used
> >> particularly of legal proceedings.
> >>
> >> I would go with "tracto", which seems more neutral.
> >>
> >> I'm not over-keen on _tracto_ either. I think I would
> >> probably for _dissero_. But the main problem with all these
> >> words is that in Latin neither _acta_ nor _auditiones_ would
> >> be subjects of such words. It's _people_ who discuss
> >> things, not records or reports. We want "in which
> >> one/we/people discuss ...." (impersonal passive)
> >>
> >> Also, I'd place the verb at the end of the sentence.
> >>
> >> Certainly more Classical :)
> >>
> >> Finally, "exstruo" seems to mean "construct" in the sense
> >>> of "build up",
> >>
> >> 'to pile up, rear, erect, construct [a building]"
> >>
> >> Not really what one does in conlanging ;)
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thus, my suggestion:
> >>>
> >>> Salvēte. Hæc sunt auditiōnēs linguificiālēs, quæ dē
> >>> linguīs fictīs eārumque fictōribus tractant.
> >>
> >> I would modify this slightly thus:
> >> Salvēte. Hæc sunt auditiōnēs linguificiālēs, in quibus dē
> >> linguīs fictīs eārumque fictōribus disseritur.
> >>
> >> This exercise reminds me (tho on a smaller scale) of Latin
> >> Prose Composition we did at school in the 1950s. I recall
> >> at least one exercise was to take the 3rd leader in 'The
> >> Times' editorial of the day and put it into Latin. In
> >> those far off days 'The Times' was still a respected
> >> newspaper - before Rupert Murdoch got his hands on it and
> >> turned it into yet another tabloid :(
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ray
> >> ==================================
> >> http://www.carolandray.plus.com
> >> ==================================
> >> "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
> >> wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
> >> [J.G. Hamann, 1760]
> >> "A mind that thinks at its own expense
> >> will a

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