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CONLANG March 2014, Week 4

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Re: Correct my Latin

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BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:58:06 +0100

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2014-03-25 14:22, Guilherme Santos skrev:
> That made me wonder, what does Icelandic do with foreign names?

It depends. Historical names (kings, towns) are often adapted,
e.g. John or Jean becomes Jón, a Paul or Pavel becomes Páll and
many countries, regions and towns have traditional Icelandic
names -- my favorite is _Feneyjar_ "Venice" literally 'marsh
islands' -- but most modern people and places just get used in
the spelling someone encounters, and pronounced more or less
accurately just as in other languages. A person who speaks
Icelandic and/or lives in Iceland may get an Icelandic nickname,
traditional or newly invented, as when I'm called _Bensi_, which
is the traditional nickname for Benedikt, which in my case is
also etymologically correct. Some names get inflected on a
'closest match' basis -- i.e. female names in _-a_ get inflected
like normal 'weak' feminines -- , but many newer names, and
loanwords (there are many 'unofficial' loanwords, also as
slang), don't get inflected at all. A name may be prefixed with
a pronoun _hann_ 'he' or _hún_ 'she' which then gets inflected.
The name of a town may get compounded with _-borg_ or _-bćr_ or
a country with _-land_ (much like _Thailand_ in English or
Swedish) in order to get inflectable, but AFAIK that's on the
whim of the speaker/writer unless there is an
'official'/traditional such compound which is often the case
with European geographical names and some elsewhere. Troy may
for example be _Trója_ or _Trójuborg_, the latter literally 'the
fortress of Troy'. Non- European places with a (to a normal
Icelandic speaker) obvious European analog have often been
adapted For example New York becomes _Nýja Jórvík_ because the
old York is Jórvík 'Horse Bay' since when the vikings were
actually ruling there. A newly created such 'translation',
though not unheard of, would be totally jocular. Scandinavian
names are a bit of a category of their own, being often loan-
translated: _Kaupmanshöfn_ < _Křbenhavn (Copenhagen),
_Gautaborg_ < _Göteborg_ (Gothenburg) etc. There is an appendix
with such names in my Icelandic dictionary. Attempts to find
such a list online are in vain, I'm afraid.

>
>
> 2014-03-24 20:16 GMT-03:00 Thomas Ruhm <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> I too would like to know what was done with Punic names. It is not long
>> that I know Plautus did include Punic passages.
>>
>> Jeffrey, we could use Skype, or the empty part of the chat where I am
>> often going. Somebody made three rooms, but then only one was needed. I
>> would also help you with German, or you could write with the other people
>> in the main room of that chat. I know them all. We could write anywhere but
>> for me it is easier than looking for a new place.
>>
>> I like the Latin of the time of the Appendix Probi. Sometimes I think I
>> would like to have easy access to more kind of Latin. There is a school
>> book for teaching medieval Latin. I don't know, if it is a good one. I know
>> somebody who learnt the Latin of Plautus instead of the Latin of Caesar and
>> Cicero.
>

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