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CONLANG  April 2014, Week 3

CONLANG April 2014, Week 3

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Re: Historical to Living

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Anthony Miles <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

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>>In my conlang Siye, 'I baptized him' (a Terrestrial concept) could use /pata/ borrowed from English, /ilepatapuna/, or >>/su/tu-sum-nu/ 'cause him to go under' /iletupusumnuna/ 'I baptized him'.

>Really, the Siye speakers drop codas in loans?  That seems like it would cause an immense amount of homonymy if >there were any coda-rich languages (like English) around that they were borrowing from.  

>On the other hand, I see you posting examples with verb stems like _li_ eat.IMPFV and _yo_ eat.PFV and a whole >bunch of other monosyllables and I wonder if Siye utterances are already massively ambiguous due to homonymy >anyway.  Or are these atypically short verbs?  Or is disambiguating information carried in other parts of the verbal >word or of the sentence?  Or... ?

>Alex

/pata/ is from /baptaiz/. Siye does not allow final consonants, but I suppose the borrowing could be /patasa/ - it's CV and does not end in a syllable homophonous with any of the grammatical number suffixes. The missionaries coined it from English - perhaps, as you intimate, it was not their finest hour. The term that will survive is probably /iletupusumnuna/, a reworking of the word 'to drown' - sometimes with /sakikem/ 'in water', added. Many of the words such as 'to go' are context-dependent and as such are translated by different English verbs. I will concede that some words, if they were written down and found later in isolation, would be confusing.

To answer another question, there are no coda-rich languages on Mars. But then twenty-eight million Martians on the equator (out of thirty million equatorials) cover two languages.

/li/ and /yo/ are not the whole verb - the superlative directional /na/ has to be present to render the meaning 'eat'. 

With the ablative directional /su/ it is 'vomit', with the allative directional /tu/, 'swallow'. 

With the causative suffix /sum/ and the directional /na/, it means 'feed'. 

/li/ with the sublative directional /nu/ means 'to die' and is intransitive (unlike all of the transitive examples above) - 

/li-nu/ is imperfective and therefore takes the suffix /ma/. 

The imperfective equivalent is /ke-nu/ and therefore takes the aspect suffix /ma/. 

/ke/ without a directional suffix or with /na/ is the perfective form of 'build' and takes the aspect suffix /na/. 

The imperfective of 'to build' is /nu-0/ or /nu-na/ with the imperfective aspect suffix /na/. 

Now, it is true that the imperfective form of the verb 'to give' was also /nu/ (until 2196 or so), but in that case it takes the directional suffix /su/.

The perfective form of the verb is /mu-su/.

And so on.

Or taking another tack, /eyoputuna/ 'he swallowed it' and /eyoputuma/ 'he will listen to it' might look the same, but a Siye-speaker would know that the perfective suffix /-na/ indicates the verb li/yo, and the imperfective suffix /-ma/. indicated the verb yo/sa. 

It was very complicated to set up (thank God for dictionary software!), but believe me, I weeded out most of the homophony by cross-referencing aspect, transitivity, directionality, and use of the extensive case system (what's the use of designing an original 10-case system if I wasn't going to use it) 

There are plenty of two- and three-syllable verbs, but it is easier for me to keep the examples short. If it would be more helpful, I can use them in examples from now on.

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