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CONLANG  May 2014, Week 3

CONLANG May 2014, Week 3

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Re: Adventures in Writing Ithkuil Song Lyrics

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 May 2014 21:57:25 -0400

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On 5/19/2014 7:20 PM, John Q wrote:

> The lyrics to the song I’m currently working on are being translated
> from original English-language lyrics written by my brother Paul (he
> was so inspired when he first heard the music to the song that he
> came up with his own English lyrics to sing to it).  I like his
> lyrics and so decided to try to render them in Ithkuil rather than
> writing wholly new lyrics myself.

Impressive! It's hard enough translating English lyrics into Tirëlat or 
Jarda.

> (Note that, being song lyrics as opposed to poetry per se, the lines
> do not follow an exact meter as certain syllables are meant to be
> sung across multiple notes or following rests in the music.  The fact
> that the rhythm of the song in question happens to be in 7/8 time
> during this stanza also affects the number of syllables per line).

That's a good point about translating song lyrics. It's easy to sneak a 
few extra syllables in or stretch words across more than one note as 
long as the result sounds good when sung.

> Ukalâz  êtçolé  irz  ke  tçî’ôlükké
>
> Upšaţoarzoenzeaphokheţükke
>
> Ôkalazé  fral  éfi’al  ain-n  ke
>
> uqh  asaxhta  orň  acalaňuqhe

It looks like the Ithkuil equivalent of rhyming is phonetic similarity. 
Do you have specific rules or just whatever works out?

> What’s interesting to note in examining the above is how the first
> three lines of the original English content are rendered in the first
> two lines of the Ithkuil version.  This left me with the problem of
> having to find a way to spread the last line of the English stanza
> across two whole lines of Ithkuil.  To do so, I essentially cheated
> in two ways:  first, by spelling out in a word-for-word manner the
> phrase “Now the moment has come…” even though the suffix -az already
> translates the simple word “now” from the English version;  secondly,
> using the flexibilities of Ithkuil morpho-phonology (particularly
> epenthetic vowels and separating suffixes out from their stems in
> clitic-like fashion) to create more syllables.

I usually have the opposite problem going from English to Tirëlat: 
having to drop words and phrases from the English. I like to think about 
what someone translating from Tirëlat to English would do to fill gaps. 
E.g.:

Lĕžadadan sa lĕvaban, të maj mizal lĕkhwynadan.
I intend to discover what I can do, and to test the limits.

I'd like to think that someone translating this line into English might 
very well come up with "It's time to see what I can do, to test the 
limits and break through".

Sometimes cutting out phrases does leave a smaller gap that has to be 
filled. But usually it's more of a problem of needing to express the 
same idea in fewer words. Maybe translating Japanese into Jarda might 
leave the song with gaps to fill, but that requires first understanding 
the Japanese lyrics. (Sometimes I have a hard enough time trying to 
understand English lyrics.)

> Also interesting to note is the Ithkuil word
> “upšaţoarzoenzeaphokheţükke” which comprises the whole of the second
> line.  This is an example of what I consider a “poetic” word in
> Ithkuil, i.e., a word which would only be uttered within poetry,
> given that, at twelve syllables, it pretty much violates the
> phonotactic preferences of the regular spoken language.  In standard
> spoken Ithkuil, the equivalent semantic content would most likely be
> the three-word phrase “učhasêţokhe  oenz  upšaţükkoarz”, the first
> word of which means “is in a state of near-total destruction” based
> on a stem -učh ‘to integrate’ which doesn’t appear in the “poetic”
> version (being replaced there by a simple suffix –eaph indicating a
> disintegrating state).
>
> --John Q.

Again, "poetic" conventions in Tirëlat more often involve leaving things 
out.

All our times have come
Miki łirirhin ŋaj
time happen-EXP.P-PF all

A more normal way to express this would be "saj miki ŋaj vyłirirhin".

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