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AUXLANG  May 2014, Week 4

AUXLANG May 2014, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Natlang as Auxlang?

From:

Paul Bartlett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 27 May 2014 20:20:30 -0400

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On 5/27/2014 7:20 PM, Jeffrey Brown wrote:

> Paul, I agree that, as Pei says, children can learn any language with
> equal ease. However, it seems that if there were an IAL, it would first
> be learned as a second language by adults. The issue is not ease of
> learning by children, but ease of learning by adults, and the language's
> utility as used by adults.
>
> An IAL is, by definition, an auxiliary language. To me this means that,
> at least initially, it would not be anyone's native language (unless an
> existent natlang is chosen). Perhaps, with the passage of enough time,
> the IAL would become a true international native language, but that
> would be a subsequent transition.
>
> Jeffrey

You have a fully legitimate point here. However, there is the matter 
that (most) adults have serious difficulty learning languages well. 
Language learning ability seems to decline majorly after puberty. That 
is why many people have proposed constructed languages as "simpler" 
(whatever that means), more consistent, more regular with fewer 
exceptions, and therefore easier to learn and gain a useful grasp of in 
adulthood, than natlangs.

For instance, I (as have many others) have tried to assist non-native 
adult speakers to get a usable working ability with English, especially 
people from non-Indo-European backgrounds. Although the grammar of 
English is superficially "simple" (but really it is more complex than 
some people seem to think), in reality English is a rather complex 
language to get hold of, especially with respect to pronunciation and 
vocabulary. And it is similar with other natlangs. I studied French for 
years in high school and university but never did really get a 
proficient speaking knowledge of it (even though after fifty years I can 
still read some). Others have made similar remarks concerning years of 
study as post-pubescents of this or that natlang.

This sort of experience is why I myself am somewhat skeptical of the 
idea of a major natlang as an IAL to be learned by adults, whatever 
might be the dynamics of the situation.

Of course, there have been proposals for simplified versions of natlangs 
as IALs. Consider Ogden's Basic English, although I myself consider it 
to be Basically Fraudulent (I'll skip the details). At one time there 
was WeltDeutsch ("WeDe", if I recall correctly) to take over Europe once 
Germany had conquered all. There is Jean-Paul Nerrière's Globish 
(http://www.globish.com), which uses a restricted vocabulary and 
simplified syntax but otherwise is (more or less) "real" English (unlike 
BE).

A restricted form of a natlang like Globish might have some possibility, 
but native speakers would have to discipline themselves severely to 
remain within the parameters, which might be a challenge.

In short, I personally am skeptical that, barring world conquest, any 
natlang will succeed as a global auxiliary *if* it is to be learned 
primarily by adults rather than by children. I might be able to support 
a simplified languages such as Globish (but which retains English's 
abominable spelling), but even then that would be a stretch. That is 
why, when we are referring to adult learners, I think that a constructed 
auxlang is more realistic.

However, I am cheerfully willing to be shown wrong. :)

-- 
Paul Bartlett

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