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CONLANG June 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Bālaybalan

From:

Js Bangs <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:13:39 -0500

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>
> Quenya, however, blurs the line in an interesting way, in that it is
> derived by simulated historical processes from Primitive Noldorin.
> Taxonomies are always most interesting where they break down.
>
>
Eh, but Primitive Noldorin itself is an a priori conlang. Deriving a new
conlang from another a priori conlang does not make the derived conlang a
posteriori --- this is just regular historical conlanging, of a type that
is quite common. See Mark Rosenfelder's entire oeuvre is of this sort.

Aside from that, I quite agree with David Peterson's assertion about the
meaning of "a posteriori". To call Quenya and Esperanto a posteriori is to
render the term meaningless.




> Pete Bleackley
> The Fantastical Devices of Pete The Mad Scientist -
> http://fantasticaldevices.blogspot.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 20:15
> Subject: Re: Bālaybalan
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 11:21 AM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > But this is like arguing that Quenya or Sindarin are
> > a_priori, which IMHO is nonsense.  If a language is a_priori
> > then it is *built from scratch from _first principles_,
> > without any reference to any natural languages*.   Clearly
> > Quenya and Sindarin are not so built.
> >
> > The grammar of both languages are original (though with
> > aspects that recall several natlangs that I will not detail
> > here) and their vocabularies are entirely original.  But we
> > know that Tolkien fashioned these languages out many years
> > of exposure to natlangs.
>
>
> David Peterson
> LCS Member Since 2007
> [log in to unmask]
> www.conlang.org
>



-- 
JS Bangs
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http://jsbangs.wordpress.com

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle" -Ian Maclaren

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