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CONLANG  June 2014, Week 2

CONLANG June 2014, Week 2

Subject:

Re: TECH: Archive damaged

From:

Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 13 Jun 2014 15:32:34 +0200

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Formatting is for published documents, not for safekeeping documents.
In other words, you're trying to solve the wrong problem.

Look at my dictionary for instance:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4Ba74aEwr57bVQ2V2QtbnJNSk0/edit?usp=docslist_api

All nice and formatted. But it's just for publication. I wouldn't dream of
relying on it for safekeeping. The unformatted file it's based on is much
safer.
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org)

Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com

On 13 Jun 2014 16:21, "Wilson Biggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> What if I want to keep formatting (like font, italicizing, etc.)? I know
> what I’m looking for isn’t strictly a database, but it’s what I use to
> reference my conlang, and it’s easier for me to use when it’s formatted to
> my liking. That’s the only real reason I’ve been using Excel files (I don’t
> even use Excel) — I’d use CSV files otherwise.
> On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Actually they are proprietary, and of the worst kind. The so-called
> OpenXML
> > standard is a joke that even MS doesn't actually implement. So yes, Excel
> > files are proprietary, and very much unfit for any purpose besides
> getting
> > locked in Office.
> >
> > As for a good format for safekeeping, there are plenty of good choices
> out
> > there. As long as they are truly text based and human readable, they can
> be
> > used without fear of losing the data due to the whims of a software
> vendor.
> >
> > For instance, I keep my Moten dictionary in a MDF database (Toolbox's
> > format). It's just a plain text file with some simple tags. Even if I
> were
> > to change software, they'd be easy to convert without loss. I can even
> > modify them by hand without any problem.
> > --
> > Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
> > President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org)
> >
> > Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com
> >
> > On 13 Jun 2014 16:07, "Wilson Biggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> They’re not really all that proprietary at all, but I see what you mean.
> >> What type of database would you recommend? It’d preferably a format that
> >> keeps formatting (so not CSV.)
> >>
> >> On Jun 13, 2014, at 3:13 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
> >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Absolutely not! Excel files are proprietary, dependent on a single
> >> vendor's
> >>> whims, who's known to defy its own specifications in order to prevent
> >>> compatibility. Don't forget that many people do not use Microsoft
> >> software.
> >>>
> >>> Moreover, they're about the worst choice possible for databases, being
> >>> binary files with a well-known propension for corruption and no
> >> protection
> >>> mechanism to speak of.
> >>>
> >>> No, in a list of the worst possible choices of file formats for safe
> >>> keeping, Excel files must be up there in the top 3!
> >>> --
> >>> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
> >>> President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org)
> >>>
> >>> Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>> On 13 Jun 2014 09:55, "W Biggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What do you guys think about just plain .xlsx (excel) files? They're
> >>>> universal enough to be okay to use, right?
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 4:12 PM, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2014-06-09 21:52, Eric Christopherson skrev:
> >>>>>>> Ah... there's something to be said for storing things in plaintext
> :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you emember the story of my Sohlob vocabulary being locked
> >>>>>> into a FileMaker file which I couldn't access anymore? That
> >>>>>> taught me to *always* at least backup to some form of plaintext,
> >>>>>> and avoid proprietary formats (except PDFs produced with XeLaTeX,
> >>>>>> where I always keep the source) like the plague! Luckily I, after
> >>>>>> seven years, incidentally found an old CD with a CSV file of the
> >>>>>> vocab which I had exported not too long before I lost access. Now
> >>>>>> I only need to find time and energy to work through it all! It
> >>>>>> demonstrably isn't the case that I had a lot more time on my
> >>>>>> hands a decade ago, so it must be the energy... :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do remember that, and I felt bad for you about it. Great to know
> you
> >>>> find a readable copy!
> >>>>
> >>
>

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