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CONLANG  June 2014, Week 2

CONLANG June 2014, Week 2

Subject:

Re: TECH: Archive damaged

From:

Wilson Biggs <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:33:47 -0400

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Itís easier for me to reference formatted files, and itíd take a lot of extra time to have two documents, one formatted, and one not. But to each their own, I guess.

On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Formatting is for published documents, not for safekeeping documents.
> In other words, you're trying to solve the wrong problem.
> 
> Look at my dictionary for instance:
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4Ba74aEwr57bVQ2V2QtbnJNSk0/edit?usp=docslist_api
> 
> All nice and formatted. But it's just for publication. I wouldn't dream of
> relying on it for safekeeping. The unformatted file it's based on is much
> safer.
> --
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
> President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org)
> 
> Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com
> 
> On 13 Jun 2014 16:21, "Wilson Biggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> What if I want to keep formatting (like font, italicizing, etc.)? I know
>> what Iím looking for isnít strictly a database, but itís what I use to
>> reference my conlang, and itís easier for me to use when itís formatted to
>> my liking. Thatís the only real reason Iíve been using Excel files (I donít
>> even use Excel) ó Iíd use CSV files otherwise.
>> On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually they are proprietary, and of the worst kind. The so-called
>> OpenXML
>>> standard is a joke that even MS doesn't actually implement. So yes, Excel
>>> files are proprietary, and very much unfit for any purpose besides
>> getting
>>> locked in Office.
>>> 
>>> As for a good format for safekeeping, there are plenty of good choices
>> out
>>> there. As long as they are truly text based and human readable, they can
>> be
>>> used without fear of losing the data due to the whims of a software
>> vendor.
>>> 
>>> For instance, I keep my Moten dictionary in a MDF database (Toolbox's
>>> format). It's just a plain text file with some simple tags. Even if I
>> were
>>> to change software, they'd be easy to convert without loss. I can even
>>> modify them by hand without any problem.
>>> --
>>> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
>>> President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org)
>>> 
>>> Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> On 13 Jun 2014 16:07, "Wilson Biggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Theyíre not really all that proprietary at all, but I see what you mean.
>>>> What type of database would you recommend? Itíd preferably a format that
>>>> keeps formatting (so not CSV.)
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 13, 2014, at 3:13 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Absolutely not! Excel files are proprietary, dependent on a single
>>>> vendor's
>>>>> whims, who's known to defy its own specifications in order to prevent
>>>>> compatibility. Don't forget that many people do not use Microsoft
>>>> software.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Moreover, they're about the worst choice possible for databases, being
>>>>> binary files with a well-known propension for corruption and no
>>>> protection
>>>>> mechanism to speak of.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, in a list of the worst possible choices of file formats for safe
>>>>> keeping, Excel files must be up there in the top 3!
>>>>> --
>>>>> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
>>>>> President of the Language Creation Society (http://conlang.org)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personal Website: http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Jun 2014 09:55, "W Biggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do you guys think about just plain .xlsx (excel) files? They're
>>>>>> universal enough to be okay to use, right?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 4:12 PM, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2014-06-09 21:52, Eric Christopherson skrev:
>>>>>>>>> Ah... there's something to be said for storing things in plaintext
>> :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do you emember the story of my Sohlob vocabulary being locked
>>>>>>>> into a FileMaker file which I couldn't access anymore? That
>>>>>>>> taught me to *always* at least backup to some form of plaintext,
>>>>>>>> and avoid proprietary formats (except PDFs produced with XeLaTeX,
>>>>>>>> where I always keep the source) like the plague! Luckily I, after
>>>>>>>> seven years, incidentally found an old CD with a CSV file of the
>>>>>>>> vocab which I had exported not too long before I lost access. Now
>>>>>>>> I only need to find time and energy to work through it all! It
>>>>>>>> demonstrably isn't the case that I had a lot more time on my
>>>>>>>> hands a decade ago, so it must be the energy... :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do remember that, and I felt bad for you about it. Great to know
>> you
>>>>>> find a readable copy!
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

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