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CONLANG  July 2014, Week 2

CONLANG July 2014, Week 2

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Re: Tyšwi vë xeev, first half done

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>>>
The one new word is "trhedzu" (crumble, fall apart).
<<<

Do voiced~voiceless rhotic contrast after /t/?
I have a real hard time to adapt my VOT habits to that! So I wonder if any
natlangs does that.
AFMOC Cidilib which contrasts voiced~voiceless alveolar trills and laterals
has voicing agreement between obstruents and following liquids, and /tɬ/
and /dl/~[dɮ] are arguably affricates; Classical Sohlob being much the same
although it lacks phonemic  voiceless r and same-syllable /tl dl/ since
*try > sr and *dry > zr in CS. In my L1 aspiration is realized as
voicelessness in sonorants following aspirated stops, so that's where I'm
coming from. **Before** stops there seems to be a contrast between
voiceless/voiced liquids in both CS and Cidilib -- at least spellings like
_lt hlt ld hld_ all occur in the lexicon, although I think there is always
a morpheme boundary between hl/hr and a stop. There is no reason *rst or
*rsty shouldn't occur within the same morpheme but they don't IIRC. I think
*rsty becomes _ls_ though. I also think _lt hlt hld_ are all realized as
/ɬt/ (without aspiration) and e.g. _hlq_ //ɬʁ// definitely merges with
_hlx_ as does _qhl_ with _xhl_ and _xl_ though it feels like _lx_ would be
distinct. FWIW _xl lx_ could only arise through syncope since *xry > _çl_
and *rxy > _lç_.

lördag 12 juli 2014 skrev Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> https://www.prismnet.com/~hmiller/lang/Tirelat/tyshwi.html
>
> MAIKA sings this song beautifully. I think I'll continue with the
translation. The biggest change in the lyrics so far is the line "same old
song". In Tirëlat that would be "xakëmu novi laana". There's no way I can
get that to fit. I tried "kifa laana" meaning "familiar song", but it
really sounds better with a one-syllable word, so I made it "familiar
voice" (kifa bryd) instead.
>
> The one new word is "trhedzu" (crumble, fall apart). I could have used
"rajgi" (wear out, erode), but it's different enough that I wanted a new
word for it.
>
> Lĕšim ribin smav ža vë lii miki, jaa lĕtagałan.
> My eye[s] being closed only for one moment, that [moment] has left.
>
> Žaadi ŋaj dësja kee vyferaden, sy žyravi.
> All dreams pass in front of me, a wonder.
>
> Tyšwi vë xeev, smav vytuułin tyšwi vë xeev.
> Dust in the wind, they are no more than dust in the wind.
>
> Kifa bryd: lii rawki u mik vë mivšaj munda, smav.
> A familiar voice: one drop of water in an endless sea, no more.
>
> Sa łevan trhedzułan ki kala, ğa łeližakan.
> What we do crumbles to the ground, though we don't see.
>
> Tyšwi vë xeev, smav łetuułin tyšwi vë xeev
> Dust in the wind, we are no more than dust in the wind.

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