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AUXLANG July 2014, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Analytical languages

From:

Stephen Rice <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:36:09 -0600

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On 7/29/14, Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Leo remarks:
> I guess I can agree, in a general way, with much of what you say.
>
> Otto Jespersen believed that languages have improved over time, and
> typically by becoming more analytical.
>
> My one problem is with the purity concept. To make an IAL starkly analytical
> is to distant it from the habits of most of mankind. This will IMO make it
> seem odd, unfriendly, foreign.

Or cool and exotic. And I agree with Paul's observation here.

> I prefer systems that are quite regular, rather analytical, but which can
> use bits of the conjugational / synthetic / agglutinative / compounding
> formats that are so widely used.
>
> Some of the problem has to do only with where you make your word
> boundaries.

The distinction is somewhat artificial, yes. Also, there's a
difference between grammatically and derivationally analytical: Inlis
has bound morphemes, but they are optional and used to clarify
derivation, as in "da blu-an" ("the blue one").

> Analytical texts can also be made longer. A plural is Spanish simply adds an
> -s, in Esperanto a -j.
>
> In an analytical language it must be a syllable, and following a space, like
> _men_ , or _plu_ , etc.

Or it can be omitted: plural-marking is optional in Inlis. Also, there
are two levels of use in Inlis, one formal, for first-contact
situations, and one colloquial, for later contacts when you know the
other person(s) well enough to ignore a few safeguards. For example,
it's possible to omit "da" after a dedicated preposition, so in formal
usage I would say, "Mi bi in da haws" ("I am in a/the house"), but
colloquially I could drop "da": "Mi bi in haws."

> I do not agree with all of the following, but it is worth looking at:
> http://www.kafejo.com/lingvoj/auxlangs/eo/analytic.htm

I was aware of Zamenhof's remarks, but hadn't thought about the Glosa
connection.

As long as we're being weird, try this:

https://archive.org/details/cu31924027111339

I like it as an artlang, though the phonology is horrific and the
fixation with monosyllables leads in unfortunate directions. Removing
those two issues could lead to a workable angloclone, I think, though
I haven't tried it.

Steve

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