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AUXLANG August 2014, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Using Instead of Always Quibbling

From:

Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 29 Aug 2014 19:00:45 +0200

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Stephen Rice skrev 2014-08-29 13:53:
> On 8/28/14, Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Stephen Rice skrev 2014-08-28 14:22:
>>> I suspect the reason some auxlangs fail is that they are designed to
>>> be learned but not used.
>> You mean that one learns them as a
>> system but doesn't try to use it?
>> Is that not close to conlanging?
> No, learners try to use them, but they are harder to use than to learn.
>
>> Would you give an example. I can
>> understand that there can be
>> languages designed to be learned
>> but not used, but I cannot find
>> examples.
> Some academic conlangs work that way, but I'm talking about something
> more like Toki Pona, which is minimalist in design, and thus easy to
> learn, but requires so many workarounds it's hard to use. If we add
> the idea of active (not passive) use, it applies to some at-sight
> projects: Interlingua is easier to learn passively than to use
> actively--to some extent all languages are, but the difference is
> greater, I think, in Interlingua than in Esperanto. Generally, though,
> it involves simplifying beyond usability. Glosa does this, I think,
> and so does LFN (though probably not as badly): they remove rules to
> simplify learning without considering that those rules may simplify
> comprehension and therefore actual use.
Esperanto I learned knowing only 
Swedish and beginning learing 
English. I began learning 
Interlingua knowing English, some 
German, French and Latin from 
school, so for me Interlingua was 
very much a kind of imitation. I 
don't remember having any 
difficulties with it except for the 
use of que and qui. Vocabulary was 
easy, I could guess my way even 
thinking of imported words (loan 
words) in Swedish.

I have tried Ido, but I guess I'm 
too stuck in Esperanto, and I have 
never succeded in mastering it. 
Occidental/Interlingue has always 
interested me, since I saw the 
first propaganda text in it. I 
found it as estethically 
attractive, and lately I have 
concentrated my interest in 
Occidental, as I think Interlingua 
is driven too much into the Romance 
language area in a kind of 
fundamentalist wave.

But I am still waiting for an 
Occidental-like language with a 
simpler ortografy with k instead of 
c when not necessary etc.

Kjell R

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