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CONLANG  September 2014, Week 1

CONLANG September 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Alien sexology (was: Native american altlangs)

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 6 Sep 2014 19:03:19 -0400

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Isaac Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" describes an alien species with three
genders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gods_Themselves

The Tenctonese (Newcomers) in "Alien Nation" had three genders (well, one
female and two male genders).

I've read stories with up to six genders, but I don't remember any
specifics.

stevo


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> 2014-09-06 0:54 GMT+02:00 Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > On 5 September 2014 16:20, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > > 2014-02-12 18:31 GMT+01:00 Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>:
> > >
> > >> [...]
> > >> As for Le Guin-- get a copy of her "Left Hand of Darkness" in English,
> > >> French or your own Portuguese.
> > >
> > > I've recently finished reading that book and since then sometimes I
> think
> > > about how different alien sex could be. Have you imagined different sex
> > > configurations in your conworlds? How could more than two sexes exist,
> > > apart from "hermaphrodite" that is just a sum of two sexes?
> > >
> > > Maybe, a "male" who deposits the gamete in a "conveyer" who deposits it
> > in
> > > a "female"?
> >
> > That sort of arrangement is reasonably common in fiction,
>
>
> Do you have some examples?
>
>
> > but there
> > are good reasons why it doesn't happen in real life. Reproduction is
> > hard enough when you have to arrange for two mates to consent, but
> > sexual recombination is sufficiently advantageous that we deal with it
> > anyway. Require coordination of 3 parties, and that species is going
> > to get out-bred *real* fast.
> >
>
> Well, what you are saying is that 2 is the number that optimize the
> relation between genetic recombination and reproduction effort, but 3
> parents could also increase the parental care for each child, thus
> increasing chance of perpetuating their lineage. Is there already a
> theoretical model for that? Maybe, trisexual reproduction didn't appear
> only because the pathway to it is too intricate, but it would impose itself
> once that it appeared. Of course, I'm just speculating...
>
> I can imagine some funny situations in a humanoid three-sexed species. If
> there was a species where sexual relation only happens when people from the
> three sexes are present at the same time, I imagine that there would be
> couples in love lamenting that they can't found the right person from the
> other sex for them to have their first sexual relation. An AB-couple
> calling a C-person for a date would be interesting in a movie...
>
>
> > The exception is when one of the "genders" is actually a separate
> > species, in which case "consent" generally goes out the window in
> > favor of parasitism. E.e. spiders that require a wasp body to incubate
> > their eggs in. This kind of thing works for the parasitic species
> > because the extra cost of complication is offset by the advantage of
> > not having to put energy into incubating your own offspring, thus you
> > can make more. Essentially, it provides parasitic females most of the
> > advantages of otherwise being male. In principle, one could imagine
> > this set up developing from pure parasitism into a more symbiotic
> > relationship, where the incubator could become considered part of the
> > same species as a social construct, even though that's not strictly
> > biologically accurate. This is pretty much what Larry Niven came up
> > with for the Pierson's Puppeteers.
> >
>
> I didn't know the puppeteers (my knowledge of science fiction is poor), but
> now that I searched about them, I find them very interesting. Are there
> details about how they walk, their gait, the order in which their legs are
> moved?
>
>
> > > Or three sexes A, B and C that can couple and reproduce in all
> > > combinations AB, BC and CA. If I include homosexual reproduction here,
> > > maybe the genders A, B and C would be better called "races", with AA,
> BB
> > > and CC being monoracial people.
> >
> > Some terrestrial fungi have this arrangement. Each individual fungus
> > produces isogametes, and can't really be called male or female; each
> > gender is essential equal in reproductive capacity, but they are
> > distinguished by different protein markers that a) ensure that a
> > single individual does not self-fertilize and b) allows any individual
> > to reproduce with any other individual of any different gender.
> >
>
> I wonder if "homosexual sexual reproduction" would be meaningful in any
> imaginable species. Can we accurately say that a species with both
> heterosexual and homosexual sexual reproduction would not really have
> sexes, but races instead?
>
>
> >
> > -l.
> >
>

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