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Re: Swadesh sentences

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MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 7 Sep 2014 05:47:30 -0400

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That is all great stuff, Gary.
And I just watched that video about stable marriages two days ago.

stevo


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Personally, a speaking off the top of my head without really giving it much
> more than a few seconds of thought, I would start by listing all the verbs.
> Then I would collect which prepositions might be used with which verbs, and
> I'd build a template for each verb. Something like:
>
> 1. DRINK: X drink Y.
> 2. EAT: X eat Y.
> 3. SEE: X see Y.
> 4. HEAR: X hear Y.
> ...
> M. COME (come-to): X come-to X.
> N. GIVE: X give Y to Z.
>
> Then under each verb template I would list the nouns and pronouns that
> could fill each slot in that template:
>
> 1. DRINK: X drink Y
> X={I, you, we, ¿who, ¿what, woman, man, person, fish, bird, dog ...}
> Y={blood, water, rain}
>
> Then, if you wanted to be more elaborate, you could do something similar
> for nouns, making a noun phrase temple listing all the adjectives that can
> fill the slots in the NP template for a given noun, e.g:
>
> 1. NP=X Y woman
> X={this, that, many, one, two, Ø}
> Y={big, small, Ø}
>
> and:
>
> 2. NP=X of Y
> X={blood, bone, egg, tail, feather, head, eye, nose, mouth, claw...}
> Y={bird}
>
> Or if you wanted to get really elaborate you could have each verb list
> those subjects and objects which it prefers in descending order of
> preference. Then under each noun you could list those adjectives and verbs
> which it prefers to be associated with, in descending order of preference.
> For each adjective, list each noun that it prefers to associate with in
> descending order of preference, and then apply this algorithm:
>
> http://youtu.be/Qcv1IqHWAzg
>
> To create the optimum list of Swadesh sentences by pairing off each verb
> with its best matching nouns, and each noun with its best matching
> adjectives in each sentence.
>
> --gary
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:41 PM, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I've done a quick tally of the POS of the Swadesh words. It looks like
> > this.
> >  adjective 32  adverb 6  conjunction 3  demonstrative 2  interrogative 5
> > negative 1  noun 84  number definite 5  number indefinite 4  preposition
> 3
> > pronoun 6  verb 56
> > When making my sentences, I intend to use simple grammar, e.g., simple
> > tenses, singular nouns except with numbers, no relative clauses, that
> sort
> > of thing.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > stevo
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Siva Kalyan <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Doing a rough count using
> > > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Swadesh_template_categorized,
> > it
> > > looks like there’s about 1⅔ times as many nouns as verbs, which isn’t
> bad
> > > (considering there are both transitive and intransitive verbs).
> > >
> > > It would certainly be an interesting exercise to compose a text using
> > each
> > > Swadesh item exactly once. It does look like it might be possible.
> > >
> > > Siva
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent with Mail Pilot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 Sep 2014 1:22:06 pm, Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > The nature of the Swadesh list left it long on things you could point
> to
> > -
> > > i.e. nouns.
> > >
> > > And left it short on verbs and combinatory particles, etc.
> > >
> > > So sentences require some reinterpretation.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> >
>

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