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CONLANG September 2014, Week 2

Subject:

Re: THEORY: Recognizing languages without really learning them

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 14 Sep 2014 00:02:16 +0200

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2014-09-13 17:20 GMT+02:00 Raanan Robertson <[log in to unmask]>:

> Well there's this:
>
> http://greatlanguagegame.com/
>

> Highly recommended, good addictive fun. It's a close approximation of
> Pete's suggestion, and just 20 short of the "100-language" objective.


As some basic vocabulary could help 007 identify and memorize the
languages, these games could also be useful:

http://www.digitaldialects.com/

They have already 70 languages. With adaptations of these two language
games and some additional lectures, I believe we can achieve our goal.

Até mais!

Leonardo



> The only problem is, after several iterations, one begins to recognize
> audio
> recordings based on small quirks about the individual soundbites such as:
> noises in the background, repeated salient phrases, characteristic static,
> familiar voices, etc.. To extend recognizability to an entire language's
> phonology, there would have to be many different randomized sound samples
> for *each* language. I think this idea could be elaborated with a more
> extensive library to become very effective.
>
> Still, it's a start, and a good supplement to everything else that has been
> suggested.
>
> ~Raanan
>
> 2014-09-12 18:51 GMT-05:00 Pete Bleackley <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > For training somebody to recognise spoken languages, I'd first get a
> large
> > sample of short audio recordings of each language. Then I'd randomly
> assign
> > them in pairs.
> >
> > For each pair of languages,  007 would be played randomly chosen
> > recordings, and told to guess which of the two languages each came from
> > ("Now, listen carefully, 007"). After each guess, he would be told if he
> > were right or wrong. After 10 correct guesses in a row, he'd move on to
> the
> > next pair.
> >
> > After he'd been trained on all the pairs, the languages would be shuffled
> > and allocated to new pairs. The training sequence would repeat until he
> had
> > got 10/10 first time for 3 successive pairs.
> >
> > Now, where's the money?
> >
> > Pete Bleackley
> > The Fantastical Devices of Pete The Mad Scientist -
> > http://fantasticaldevices.blogspot.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:02
> > Subject: Re: THEORY: Recognizing languages without really learning them
> >
> > 2014-09-11 19:53 GMT+02:00 Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> > > This would be easier, I think, if you only had to teach how to
> recognize
> > > them in print. The foreign language section of one of my local used
> book
> > > stores often has books filed in the wrong language, but it's easy to
> see
> > > how a few simple rules would go a long way toward separating, say,
> > Spanish
> > > and Portuguese. If it looks like Spanish, but there's a "ã" anywhere in
> > he
> > > text, it's Portuguese.
> > >
> >
> > Clever! You were even able to distinguish it from Galician and Cape
> Verdean
> > Creole with a simple trick. Will, it seems Cape Verdean Creole has -ãu in
> > some loanwords from Portuguese -ão. (Not show they can be called
> loanwords
> > as the graphy is changed.)
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Verdean_Creole
> >
> >
> > > It would probably be pretty easy to come up with a list of words or
> > letter
> > > sequences that are very common in one particular language but do not
> > occur
> > > in any other language. And of course, you could include "shapes" in
> that
> > > list for Cyrillic, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Burmese, Arabic, etc.
> > >
> >
> > Initially I was talking about distinguishing languages as spoken. But,
> for
> > one billion dollars, I think it's fair to require their recognition in
> > print as well. Anyway, I guess most teaching methods would use some
> written
> > texts as support.
> >
> >
> > > Take a look at http://whatlanguageisthis.com/
> > >
> > > --gary
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Leonardo Castro <
> [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, everyone!
> > > >
> > > > If you were offered a one-billion-dollars job to teach 007 how to
> > > recognize
> > > > the top 100 most spoken languages with no doubt, but still not having
> > to
> > > > speak all of them, would you accept it? What would be your teaching
> > > method?
> > > > Suppose you have six months to accomplish the goal and that 007 is a
> > good
> > > > student with full time available to do whatever you want to learn it
> > > during
> > > > those 6 months.
> > > >
> > > > And what if the 20 most spoken sign languages were included in the
> > list,
> > > > would you still accept that job?
> > > >
> > > > If you don't have those skills yourself, suppose that they give you
> an
> > > > additional month before beggining teaching for you to develop them.
> :-)
> > > >
> > > > Até mais!
> > > >
> > > > Leonardo
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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