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Re: Terminology for Sentence Structure

From:

Guilherme Santos <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:37:09 -0300

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As you can see in WALS http://wals.info/chapter/81, SOV is indeed the most
common word order. And can be seen in this feature (
http://wals.info/feature/81A) that it is dominant in most places.

As for being the 'original' word order i can't really say anything

2014-09-17 19:05 GMT-03:00 Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]>:

> Over the years, I have seen many references to SOV being
> the original or "the most common word order" in natlangs.
>
> So for many the "most common" or the "usual" word order
> begins with the SOV supposition. Since it differs from Eng./
> Sp./ Rus./ Chin./ Fr./ etc., it appeals to conlangers who want
> something different. Yet if it is "most common" order can it
> also be exotic?
>
> But is SOV "the most common word order" in
> natlangs.?
>
> I have several books by linguists that seem to document SOV.
> But I notice that the languages in the samples are often very
> minor, endangered languages. In some studies large numbers
> of very related (and minor) languages/dialects get into the
> count. (Doctoral dissertations by linguists.)
>
> Might the "original pattern" have been no pattern at all?
> Look at Jiwarli.
> http://www.hrelp.org/aboutus/staff/peter_austin/AustinHale.pdf
>
>  Leo Moser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:04 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Terminology for Sentence Structure
>
> Why not call it the "most common" or the "usual" word order?
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:20 AM, David McCann <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:52:16 -0600
> > Scotto Hlad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you for your replies everyone. My conlang Asirka is
> > > topic-prominent. My concern is the term for what could still be a
> > > preferred structure of a sentence. It's been 37 years since I
> > > studied Latin but I believe that you will most commonly see a SOV
> > > structure in a simple declarative sentence. Is there a name for this
> > > common structure? Scotto
> >
> > Unmarked would do — there's no "official name".
> >
> > Latin certainly has unmarked orders: SOV, NG, DemN, AdvAdj. An example
> > of rhetorical order would be "Nobis non satisfacit ipse Demosthenes."
> > (Cicero)
> >
> > I remember reading an article by a Russian linguist about his little
> > daughter's parsing of sentences. For some time after learning to use
> > case endings properly, she still ignored them in other people's
> > sentences, assuming that the first noun was the subject of the
> > sentence and the second the object.
> >
>

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