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AUXLANG  September 2014, Week 4

AUXLANG September 2014, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Worldlang and other auxlang types

From:

Stephen Rice <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 25 Sep 2014 23:12:27 -0600

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On 9/25/14, Risto Kupsala <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 25.9.2014 0:30, Leo Moser wrote:
>> Some minor comments:
>> The category of MIXED LANGUAGE is often placed between
>> A-PRIORI LANGUAGE and A-POSTERIORI LANGUAGE.
>> Volapuk is often put there.
>
> Yes, it is an important category, but the name of the category doesn't
> stand on its own. I would like to call Volap√ľk a "mixed eurolang"  to
> describe that it is a mixture of a-priori features and source material
> from European languages, but that sounds odd.

It's still better than the completely lexicon-based criteria you've
proposed. When actual linguists group languages, they seldom pay much
attention to lexicons, simply because lexicons are so changeable.
Instead they look at grammar. In a way, since most auxlangs other than
the completely a-priori type are mixed, it might be better to analyze
them as creoles: a lexical superstrate on a grammatical substrate.
That would allow for the obvious but quite superficial lexical element
but also recognize the more significant grammatical element,
distinguishing between (for example) Interlingua and LFN.

>> The Wikipedia definition of a worldlang is not much to my liking.
>>
>> It adds a purposive clause that may not always apply:
>> "in order to be globally neutral and to avoid perceived bias towards any
>> single culture."
>>
>> I'm not sure any language can be "globally neutral" -- not even an
>> a-priori
>> language.
>> And why the word "perceived" there?  Makes the designers sound tricky.
>> And it makes the whole purpose of the language only to be PC.
>
> Steve! Was that intentional? (He wrote the first version of the article.)
> ;)

If you don't like it, I believe you could change it. A secret of
Wikipedia revealed!

As I recall, when I was composing the thing, I kept encountering
claims about neutrality and bias that seemed to define the movement.
And the precise phrasing is neutral (and typical for Wikipedia):
"bias" alone would be biased in one way, while modified by "supposed"
or "putative" would be biased in the the opposite way.

>> I'd prefer to  go with :
>> "A worldlang is a type of international auxiliary language (or auxlang)
>> that
>> derives its roots, phonology, and possibly grammar from different
>> language
>> families around the world, typically including the several most widely
>> spoken languages today."
>
> I prefer your definition.

I do too, precisely because it moves beyond the typical obsession with
the lexicon.

Steve

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