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AUXLANG September 2014, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Controlled Natural Languages was Re: Worldlang and other auxlang types

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Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:16:48 -0700

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Yes, Controlled Natural Languages can be of interest to us 
here. I have been a member of Controlled Language groups 
for decades. Follow their conferences, etc. Read reports of 
researchers.

Major Multinational Corporations tend to control those 
most in use. Access is very expensive to some others. This
has become less of a problem with some minor versions. 

All the major ones use English and depend on English
for grammar, semantics, phonotactics, etc. They are
(each) highly focused on tasks in a certain field of activity.
Very little 'universalism' to them. 

They do NOT translate to other languages without potential 
loss of meaning, error, dangerous mistakes. They are NOT
designed as pivot languages.  

But there might well be less chance, in some cases, of error 
with a text in a controlled language than with a text in full 
colloquial English, slang and all.

Lots of technics and commerce. 

No emoji. 

No 'soul' some might say, but such a word may not 
be in their vocabulary.

Regards,    LEO


-----Original Message-----
From: International Auxiliary Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Logan Streondj
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:39 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Controlled Natural Languages was Re: Worldlang and other auxlang types

I agree that grammar is more important than Lexicon. One of the best examples of this is the "new" style of IAL, Controlled Natural Languages.  They have been used by corporations in industry for over
30 years. 

Gellish for instance aims to be lexicon-independant, insted using numbers as it's main vocabulary. With a dictionary for any particular language, it allows for automatic translation from say English to Dutch and back. 

According to TranslationDirectory.com ASD Simplified Technical English is the most popular right now. Used largely in Aerospace industry.
It for instance has some rules for controlling how people write. 

   The Writing Rules specify restrictions on grammar and style usage.
   For example, they require writers to:            
   * Restrict the length of noun clusters to no more than 3 words
   * Restrict sentence length to no more than 20 words (procedural sentences) 
        or 25 words (descriptive sentences)
   *  Restrict paragraphs to no more than 6 sentences (in descriptive text)
   * Avoid slang and jargon while allowing for specific terminology
    * Make instructions as specific as possible
    * Use articles such as "a/an" and "the" wherever possible
    * Use simple verb tenses (past, present, and future)
    * Use active voice
    * Do not use present participles or gerunds (unless part of a Technical Name)                                     * Write sequential steps as separate sentences
    * Put commands first in warnings and cautions, with the exception of conditions         

CLOUT Controlled Language Optimized for machine Translation, has some same, but some different rules with elaboration.

        1. Write sentences that are shorter than 25 words.
        	+ Be brief ( well structured)
        	+ Avoid ambiguity and subordination
        	+ Evaluate the information
        2. Write sentences that express only one idea.
        	+ Simple sentences
        	+ Avoid ( gerunds, juxtaposition, etc.)
        3. Write the same sentence if you want to express the same content.
        	+ Don’t be afraid to repeat
        	+ Avoid synonyms
        4. Write sentences that are grammatically complete.
        	+ Sentences grammatically and Orthographic correct
        	+ Avoid ellipsis.
        5. Write sentences that have a simple grammatical structure.
        	+ Avoid Juxtapostion, subordination, relatives pronouns, etc.
        6. Write sentences in the active form.
        	+ Avoid passive voice
        7. Write sentences that repeat the noun instead of using a pronoun.
        	+ Avoid pronouns like it, their, etc.
        8. Write sentences that use articles to identify nouns.
        	+ Use the, this, etc.
        9. Write sentences that use words from a general dictionary.
        	+ Do not use technical words
        10. Write sentences that use only words with correct spelling.
        	+ Avoid mistakes

Acording to http://www.translationdirectory.com/articles/article1359.php
it says most of these languages are intended for commercial use, with pricetags which range from $1000 to $100,000.

CLOUT seems to use google translate to do it's translation, here is an example website using CLOUT sentence structures, which was translated to many languages http://muegge.cc Perhaps some of the Spanish/Swedish speakers here can check the relevant translations. 

CLOUT however does rely on human translator to do the final touches.
This maybe since they kind of lazied out and use google translate. 
Anyways Mkaw should be able to offer similar ease of translation, though likely (eventually) with more grammr structures supported, while not needing a human to "finish up" anything.
Meaning can translate to as many languages as there is a dictionary and grammar defined for SPELT (SPEL Translator).

The pivot langauge, rather than being numbers as in Gellish, are human speakable, and thus it's possible to use them for making content.
Gellish is also expensive, wheras SPEL/Mkaw is free open source.
Which should bolster adoption. 

I envision a single forum, where people can write in Chinese, Arabic, Russian Mkaw variants, which will be translated into the Mkaw core. Then they could read the forum, either in a static copy in their language, or even have a javascript script which translates a mkaw page to their language real time, allowing for things like chat, and social networking to happen.

-- Logan Streondj

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