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CONLANG November 2014, Week 2

Subject:

Re: ILlogical language

From:

Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 9 Nov 2014 14:28:33 -0800

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"Chicken"
http://www.citizenx.cx/img/comics/chicken_plif.gif


On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Siva Kalyan <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> I remember seeing a conlang on Langmaker called “Chicken”. It has only one
> word.
>
> Siva
>
> > On 10 Nov 2014, at 8:50 am, Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > IMO if a 'language' were to be completely illogical, it would have to
> > communicate nothing at all.
> >
> > And it would no longer be a language at all.
> > Only gibberish.
> >
> > So those of you involved in this effort need IMO to
> > define in what specific area(s) your language is to be
> > illogical.
> >
> > Regards, Leo Moser
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Demski
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:24 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: ILlogical language
> >
> > One could always do something a little more interesting than fixed
> morphemes. Perhaps the roots are trisyllabic and always have voiced
> consonants, and various functions are accomplished by devoicing some or
> all, moving around the consonants, or more convoluted shifts.
> >
> > The most extreme idea I can come up with is making basic sensory
> perception garbled; suppose the speakers can see, but only have perhaps 9
> pixels of visual light, yet each pixel has superhuman color sensation
> (perhaps including sensing polarization of the light). That doesn't do much
> on its own, but further suppose these beings have a shocking variety of
> superstitions and misconceptions about visual phenomena. For example,
> directly facing an object obviously means getting it into the middle pixel,
> and also happens to position it in the best place for hearing. Thus the
> middle pixel is the 'singing pixel', but in certain very common
> circumstances actually hearing the object clearly is undesireable. Objects
> are tagged as bothersome or evil if they end up 'singing', which often
> means they are described with different vocabulary or referenced
> indirectly. However, how large an object is, and how much it moves around,
> also affect how likely it will end up in the center of the field of vision.
> Thus an object might be described as noisy or evil, or described only in
> oblique, indirect ways, as a way of indicating that it is large or fast.
> >
> > Hmm, that didn't end up as extreme as I had intended. Well, suppose a
> language uses puns to indicate past tense; the worse the pun, the further
> in the past. Or suppose a language highly values strange turns of phrase
> which 'don't mean what they say'; whenever someone comes up with a
> counterintuitive term or idiom, it is leapt upon and becomes popular.
> Imagine the 'flammable/inflammable' problem causes English speakers to
> start sticking "in-" in front of as many words as possible, as a humorously
> confusing intensifier; it could even spread to "un-". Seems like negation
> would be especially susceptible to such nonsense, so we might as well just
> suppose most ways of negating things come to mean "not, or obviously, or
> very"; "unreachable" would refer to something either totally out of reach,
> or something intentionally positioned within easy reach.
> >
> > We could go further in this direction and just suppose a large class of
> semantic features follow this pattern; +feature, or quite obviously
> -feature.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Guilherme Santos
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:54 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: ILlogical language
> >
> > There's ᵷ♫ᵽ (http://www.aveneca.com/cbb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4155&), but
> i assume one could undoubtedly worsen it. *ᵷ♫ᵽ i*s still pretty damn funny)
> >
> > 2014-11-09 16:19 GMT-02:00 Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> >> Having been reading the discussion about Patrik Austin's "Reduced
> >> Natural Grammar" and its use in an engelang, and whether it was better
> >> or worse than predicate logic for the creation of a logical language,
> >> I began to think about the creation of an ILlogical lanaguage.
> >>
> >> By this, I mean a language whose grammar is as illogical or irrational
> >> as possible. As people have pointed out ad nauseam, natlang grammars
> >> have many features that are not logical, but these are merely alogical
> >> grammars. I'm talking about an anti-logical grammar, a language that
> >> strives for the irrational, the malformed, and the utterly senseless.
> >>
> >> One way this could be done is through humor, like Bill Spruiell's
> >> Bureaulang, with phantasmagorically bizarre word classes, such as
> >> "arthropods; fish; groups of people characterized by moving in
> >> formation (incl. Mhaevanni in general); rigid containers; trees;
> >> non-shiny minerals in the green-blue range," yet that language, could,
> in theory, be spoken...
> >> maybe. Rather, I am thinking about a a true "Toki Ike," the conlang
> >> equivalent of "Malbolge," that is, a language designed to be as
> >> obdurate, as opaque, and as cthulhuian as possible.
> >>
> >> But... probably someone has already done it... even worse. So, has it
> >> been done? By whom? Any live links?
> >>
> >> Right now, I am thinking along lines such as: "The verbal infix -pa-
> >> marks the past tense, if the moon is waxing, and the referenced event
> >> was, to the knowledge of the speaker, observed by the listener, who
> >> has attempted, without success, to deny his culpability in the entire
> >> affair; or it marks the progressive aspect, if the moon is waning, or
> >> the speaker is not aware of the lunar phase and chooses not to reveal
> >> his astronomical ignorance to the listener; or it is a reduplicative
> >> intensifier, if the actuality of the referenced event is dubious, but
> >> the listener wishes that it had occurred; otherwise -pa- indicates
> >> number/gender agreement with the postposed object."
> >>
> >> Jeffrey
> >>
>

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