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CONLANG  November 2014, Week 5

CONLANG November 2014, Week 5

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Re: Ariabu - A new process for me.

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:00:27 -0500

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"After one radical lexicon shift it ended up that the definite article and
the third person singular neuter pronoun were the same word. Rather than
"fix" it, I let it be.
​"

I recently thought this would be a good thing for English to do, replacing
"it" with pronominal "the", bringing the articles and pronouns more into
sync. I'm glad to hear that it's working fine for you.

stevo​

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> My former "30-day conlang" which is now called "Ariabu" is still churning
> along, but I haven't posted anything about it for a very good reason. The
> new process that I stumbled upon is causing it to be in a pretty constant
> state of radical flux, although it is beginning to settle down a bit in
> some respects.
>
> My process is this: I translated a short story of some 4,000 words into
> Ariabu, and then each day I read through the story and make some
> alterations to the grammar and vocabulary. Each time I read through the
> story I become more familiar with the language, and begin to develop a feel
> for what's right and what's wrong. For example, I started out with both a
> definite and indefinite article, but on one pass through all the indefinite
> articles went away. I started out having some "compound tenses" that used
> aux verbs and participles or gerunds, but at some point the aux verbs
> vanished and new conjugation endings took their place. In the process,
> gerunds and participles ceased to exist.
>
> At first, adjectives preceded their nouns, then they followed, then
> preceded again, and at the moment they are following their nouns.
>
> After one radical lexicon shift it ended up that the definite article and
> the third person singular neuter pronoun were the same word. Rather than
> "fix" it, I let it be. At first it seemed strange, but now that I've been
> reading the language with that ambiguity it's clear that it causes no
> problems, and is acceptable as is.
>
> This morning the new word for the verb "to be" had to become irregular. It
> was either that or allow it to be conflated with a couple of prepositions
> that looked just like two tenses of "to be".
>
> I'm not ready to post any text in Ariabu yet because a few days after
> posting it's liable to be partially, or perhaps even mostly obsolete.
>
> What I find interesting about this process is that I am not planning the
> grammar of Ariabu, I'm discovering it through usage.
>
> Tomorrow I intend to weed out some of the words that are too Latinish, and
> replace them with non-Romance sounding words. I'm afraid that as it stands
> it looks like a Romance language even though the grammar is non-Romance.
> (I've tended to lean heavily on dictionaries for Latin, Spanish, Italian,
> and Esperanto when I get stuck for a word.)
>
> As a sidebar, it occurred to me that one could start out with a straight,
> unadorned relex of some source language like English or Spanish, and
> incrementally turn that relex into a genuine conlang by applying this
> process, changing some element of the grammar or vocabulary or morphology,
> with each successive pass through the relexed text.
>
> That way one could begin with an entire novel such as _Moby Dick_ or _A
> Princess of Mars_ and instantly relex it using find/replace in a text
> editor, and then read the novel over and over, altering and refining the
> grammar/lexicon/morphology of the conlang with each pass, and end up not
> only with a full translation of a novel of significant size, but with a
> deep level of intuitive understanding of, and a high level of fluency in
> the conlang.
>
> --gary
>

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