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CONLANG  December 2014, Week 1

CONLANG December 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Father of Church Latin?

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:20:29 +0000

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On 04/12/2014 20:55, Leo Moser wrote:
> Seem I recall that Medieval Latin took on something of a
>  life on its own.

It did, it did!  It was a _living_ L2.  It developed,
changed and showed local variations just as any living
language does.

[snip]
>
> When Latin is colloquially spoken at the Vatican, I
> wonder what forms it takes.

It's called Italian     :)
=================================================

On 05/12/2014 07:52, Emanuelo Arbaro wrote:
> I don't know if we can (in fact I know that we can't ^^)
>

Exactly!  To talk about the Father of Medieval Latin and/or
Church Latin is meaningless.

> show one author who should be the source of the medieval
>  Latin. Terence? Yes, but he wasn't the only example for
>  students by far. Vulgate? Yes, but this version of the
> Bible became "official" only at the XVIth century. The
> *Veteres Latinae* was very often used until then.

Pope Damasus I commissioned Jerome to revise the various
Veteres Latinae version and produce a single coherent
version of the Scriptures.  But in those pre-printing days
it didn't become universal immediately; it spread gradually.
  By the 13th century the "versio vulgata" derived from
Jerome's version had more or less eclipsed the older
versions; but as Emanuelo says, the Vulgate version did not
become the official version for the whole Latin rite
Catholic Church until the Council of Trent in the 16th century.

> The Latin was often taught using a classic grammarian
> (Donatus, a master of Jerome, the translator of the
> Vulgate), who probably had a great influence too.

Yes, thanks - I had forgotten Donatus.  He was the standard
grammarian, so to speak, of the Medievals.

> And all the Latin or translated fathers of church, from
> Antiquity or Middle Ages, all the classic authors who
> survived, had an influence, various according to the
> milieu or the time of the medieval author.

Yep - and the whole caboodle copied out in Medieval spelling
(e.g. _e_ instead of the Classical _ae_ diphthong) -
Classical spelling not being used until the Classical
revival of the Renaissance.

> So, if Terence wasn't used as *exempla*, the medieval
> Latin probably should be the same, or almost.

Yes - I agree.  There simply was too much in the mix.  The
absence of one pre-Classical playwright would have had IMO
minimal, if any, effect.

> The situation of the Latin wasn't the same than today,

Indeed, it most certainly wasn't!

-- 
Ray
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