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Re: Putting unused natlang words to work

From:

Ingus Macats <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:05:12 +0200

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Hi!
I think this is a valid idea and could at least in part help me with an
unnaturalistic feature I've become aware of in my conlanging – the lack of
minimal pairs.
Thanks for the idea!

Ingus

2014-12-08 21:59 GMT+02:00 Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>:

> Just another random observation:
>
> From a large list of English words, extract all the initial consonant
> clusters:
>
> b- bl- br- c- ch- chr- cl- cr- d- dr- dw- f- fl- fr- g- gl- gn- gr- h- j-
> k- kn- l- m- n- p- ph- phr- pl- pr- pt- qu- r- s- sc- sch- scr- sh- shr-
> sk- sl- sm- sn- sp- sph- spl- spr- squ- st- str- sw- t- th- thr- tr- tw- v-
> w- wh- wr- y- z-
>
> Pick some short English word, say "stop" and apply everything after the
> initial consonants ("-op") to all the other initial clusters. Some of the
> resulting words will be valid English words, and some will not. E.g. using
> "-op":
>
> bop blop brop cop chop chrop clop crop dop drop dwop fop flop frop gop glop
> gnop grop hop jop kop knop lop mop nop pop phop phrop plop prop ptop quop
> rop sop scop schop scrop shop shrop skop slop smop snop spop sphop splop
> sprop squop stop strop swop top thop throp trop twop vop wop whop wrop yop
> zop
>
> Now remove all those that are valid English words, and what's left are
> "unused English words" that you could use in a lexicon for an conlang that
> had English-like phonology and orthography. E.g:
>
> blop brop chrop dop dwop frop gop gnop grop jop kop knop nop phop phrop
> ptop quop rop scop schop scrop shrop skop smop snop spop sphop splop sprop
> squop swop thop throp trop twop vop wop whop wrop yop zop
>
> Or, using "small" -> "-all" derive the possible words:
>
> ball blall brall call chall chrall clall crall dall drall dwall fall flall
> frall gall glall gnall grall hall jall kall knall lall mall nall pall phall
> phrall plall prall ptall quall rall sall scall schall scrall shall shrall
> skall slall small snall spall sphall splall sprall squall stall strall
> swall tall thall thrall trall twall vall wall whall wrall yall zall
>
> and then use the "unused English words" from that list.
>
> You could do the same with another language, say Spanish, and end up (using
> "grande") with lists like:
>
> bande blande brande cande chande chrande clande crande dande drande fande
> flande frande gande glande grande hande jande lande llande mande nande
> pande plande prande ptande quande rande sande scande scrande spande stande
> tande trande vande wande yande zande
>
> At any rate, this has the advantage of coining the types of words that have
> arisen in natlangs after centuries of use, and are more likely to be easily
> pronounceable than would be random collections of consonants and vowels.
>
> Some of the unused words might be unpleasant-sounding ("blall", "sprore",
> ...), but those will be in the minority.
>
> Longer words tend to sound too much like their original natlang prototype,
> e.g. (window):
>
> bindow blindow brindow cindow chindow chrindow clindow crindow dindow
> drindow dwindow findow flindow frindow gindow glindow gnindow grindow
> hindow jindow kindow knindow lindow mindow nindow pindow phindow phrindow
> plindow prindow ptindow quindow rindow sindow scindow schindow scrindow
> shindow shrindow skindow slindow smindow snindow spindow sphindow splindow
> sprindow squindow stindow strindow swindow tindow thindow thrindow trindow
> twindow vindow window whindow wrindow yindow zindow
>
> But you can also fiddle with the vowels and still retain their natlang
> fluidity.  (jindow -> jiando; spindow -> spandio; ...)
>
> Anyway, it seems like a good way to generate new words that still have a
> natlang feel to them.
>

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