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AUXLANG  December 2014, Week 4

AUXLANG December 2014, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the International Phonetic Alphabet published by Evertype

From:

Scott Raney <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:38:38 -0700

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On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Paul Bartlett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On 2014-12-19 6:45 AM, Risto Kupsala wrote:
>
>> A teen and an adult can learn the principles of phonetic spelling in a
>> day and get used to it in a few weeks. A simple converter software could
>> transcribe the entire content of the internet to the new spelling "in no
>> taym".
>
>
> Yes, intelligent adolescents and adults who are already literate native
> anglophones could learn the proposals quickly, although I myself am not sure
> that they could "get used to it in a few weeks," especially for mature
> adults who have spent, say, fifty or sixty years with the old spelling. (For
> example, I learned to read early and easily, so I do not sound out words as
> I read but more or less recognize them as wholes. With the proposals made, I
> would have to go back to sounding out words for a long time.) Also, I think
> that given English spelling as it is, it might take more than "simple
> converter software," although I will leave that up to the computer
> specialists to deal with.

I don't see any technical problem if you just change the spelling.
Gmail (via Google translate) is already pretty good about recognizing
languages, though you do still have to click a button to do the
translation.  It would be easy to just have it automatically translate
between the two spelling systems so all your messages would appear in
which ever form you prefer.  Same would apply to any web pages, etc.

Changing the lex doesn't get you much in terms of progress to toward
an auxlang, though, and so I don't really see that it's worth doing by
itself.  Getting rid of things like verb tenses *would* make a huge
difference, but then that gets into actual translation.  Still
relatively straightforward to/from English and something like Inlis,
especially compared with translating from languages with different
word orders, but a harder transition for us old folks who would have
to learn to generate the new form (reading it would I think come
pretty quickly, as in weeks/months).

> Finally, what about all the old documents that would not be converted? Yes,
> English spelling has changed somewhat over the centuries (and some words
> have shifted meanings), but it has been stable enough that literate native
> speakers can still read documents four hundred years old with some accuracy.

Not a problem IMHO.  Most of the important stuff has already been
digitized, and the rest soon will be (e.g., Project Gutenberg).

> A new orthography could impede that practice except for specialists. Indeed,
> I have read -- I will stand corrected if I am wrong -- that a contributing
> factor in Ataturk's imposition of the Latin alphabet on Turkey was a
> deliberate attempt to cause a break with the country's past in his desire to
> secularize the society. Of course, spelling reform proposals for English
> have historically not been attempts to cause major social changes, but they
> could cause something of a break with the past.

The Chinese did the same by simplifying their character set.  I've
been told that it's relatively hard for mainland Chinese to read
traditional script, but Taiwanese have much less trouble going the
other way.  But IMHO that was an example of amateur social engineers
putting lipstick on a pig.  There was an even more ambitious project,
trying to teach kids pinyin (an alphabetic system) instead of
characters at all, but that failed even worse than our own "whole
language" experiments did.

Bottom line, I don't share your concerns: Not only do most people not
need to be able to read anything written more than a few years prior,
but as long as we don't go on a book-burning (or more accurately a
hard-disk burning) rampage, the translation software will allow them
to do so if they really needed to.
  Regards,
    Scott

> --
> Paul Bartlett

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