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AUXLANG  December 2014, Week 5

AUXLANG December 2014, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Pin yin -- was RE: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the International Phonetic Alphabet published by Evertype

From:

Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:54:40 -0800

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Paul sais :
> Design of a constructed auxiliary language is an engineering issue which involves multiple trade-offs. 
> Trade-offs are just the way the world works, and we have to live with them. 
> I myself consider that a few judiciously chosen digraphs would be an acceptable trade-off for convenience of the orthography.

I agree with all of the above.

Regards, and Happy 2015           LEO

-----Original Message-----
From: International Auxiliary Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:16 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Pin yin -- was RE: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the International Phonetic Alphabet published by Evertype

On 2014-12-28 3:05 PM, Kjell Rehnström wrote:
> Paul Bartlett skrev den 2014-12-28 20:37:
>> On 2014-12-27 11:49 PM, Logan Streondj wrote (excerpt):
>>
>>> [...]
>>
>>> Seriously I think IPA or X-Sampa is the only way to go nowadays.
>>
>> Not convinced. Whether we like it or not, the Latin alphabet, with or 
>> without diacritical marks, is far, far, and away the most widespread 
>> writing system in the world, and many if not most electronic media 
>> users today around the world can handle it to some extent. Depending 
>> on the phonology, a conIAL might well be able to be written with a 
>> judiciously chosen and designed Latin orthography, even if we allow 
>> some diacritical marks. [...]
>>
> I could imagine a modified uso of the IPA letters such as ſ (it is not 
> the same letter as I'm seing under special letters but anyway), ŋ and 
> ʒ which you already have got on some keyboards. They could be used as 
> well as č and š. And one could use ş for the sh-sound and ç for the ch-sound.
> There are a lot of possibilities.

One of the issues seems to be that so many people, especially conIALers!, have a horror of digraphs, a pair of letters to represent one phoneme. For example, Ido uses two, count 'em a whole two, digraphs, <sh> and <ch>, to represent the sounds (in X-SAMPA) /S/ and /tS/. I really do not think this is a serious burden on any learner or reader. 
Design of a constructed auxiliary language is an engineering issue which involves multiple trade-offs. Trade-offs are just the way the world works, and we have to live with them. I myself consider that a few judiciously chosen digraphs would be an acceptable trade-off for convenience of the orthography.

--
Paul Bartlett

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