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CONLANG  January 2015, Week 5

CONLANG January 2015, Week 5

Subject:

Re: "Phonology" in sign languages.

From:

Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:21:15 -0600

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In some analyses handshapes are treated as consonants and
motions/placements as vowels.  The field is still young and ideas evolve
fairly quickly.  There is a growing body of literature of analyses of
specific languages, but a much smaller body of theoretical stuff on over
arching principles applicable cross-linguistically.  And that said, it's
been a few years since I really delved in.  The state of things may have
changed a good bit.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Julian Garberson <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Hey Mr. Kearsley, you should check out the ideographic conlang called
> SignWriting, invented for deaf people. I would also recommend that you look
> at Ethiopian Sign Language. You see, my parents were both in the Peace
> Corps, and my mother was posted there. I am disabled, but with mobility
> impairment, not deafness. I don’t know anything more about these sign
> language-related subjects.
>
> > On Jan 28, 2015, at 10:36 PM, Dirk Elzinga <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > There's a chapter in the Handbook of Phonological Theory (ed. John
> Goldsmith) on the "phonological" analysis of signed languages. I doubt it's
> on line but you could stop by my office sometime and borrow it to make a
> copy.
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It will take a while to get around to the subject. Bear with me.
> >>
> >> I find that I may soon be tasked with creating several alien languages
> >> for a rather large literary work (to be paid for in pizza and Barq's
> >> root beer).
> >>
> >> Unlike some of the more famous existing alien conlangs, these are not
> >> constrained by the need to be pronounced by human actors. Rather, one
> >> of them is to be used by creatures who are superficially similar to
> >> dolphins and who communicate via a combination of bioluminescent
> >> signals and sounds created by rubbing bits of bone together (rather
> >> like crickets), and another is to be used by "amphibians", who have as
> >> yet underspecified vocal apparatus, but maybe something like a syrinx.
> >> Needless to say, humans will not be able to pronounce them unaided,
> >> and they won't be able to reproduce English either.
> >>
> >> It will, however, be necessary on occasion to transcribe these
> >> languages, so I need to come up with reasonable native writing systems
> >> & romanizations, which requires having some idea of what the lowest
> >> levels of structure in these language might actually look like.
> >>
> >> Now, getting to the subject: I have heard tell that there are ways of
> >> analogizing the structure of sign languages to spoken languages. I.e.,
> >> phonemes == chiremes, and that's about where my knowledge stops. Now,
> >> the aliens aren't going to be speaking sign languages either, but I
> >> figure looking at the theoretical structure behind *something* other
> >> than spoken human language will at least help me wrap my head around
> >> it, and provide a good place to start.
> >>
> >> So, can anyone give me a quick primer on how sign language are
> >> organized? What's the closest analogy to a vowel or a consonant?
> >> What's the closest analogy to a syllable, etc., etc.? (Or at least
> >> point me at some good primer material online?)
> >>
> >> -l.
>

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