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CONLANG February 2015, Week 1

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Re: Predicate Classes

From:

J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 5 Feb 2015 07:05:52 -0500

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On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:33:12 -0700, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On 1 February 2015 at 21:59, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:15:37 -0700, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1 February 2015 at 16:08, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> In Jan24, I have bivalent predicates instead of verbs, adjectives, nouns, and prepositions. All of these can take a person-number prefix (for the more agent-like argument) and a person-number suffix (for the more patient-like argument). However, these can be 0. When an affix is 0, there's a default value depending on the predicate stem's class. The values are 3AnimS (A), 3InanS (I), and Null (U). There are 6 classes WRT default person-number:
>>>>
>>>> The stem also determines other things, such as the argument roles.
>>>>
>>>> What I'm trying to come up with are a name and single-letter abbreviation for each class. Let me know what's not clear.
>>>
>>>What other parts of speech are there? How do you form complete
>>>clauses? Can there be more than one of these stems per clause, and if
>>>so, how are they combined?
>>>Since there tends to be correlation between semantic classes (as
>>>you've laid out here) and syntactic classes, I'm thinking it might
>>>make sense to derive at least some of the class names from the
>>>syntactic roles that they most typically occupy, if there is in fact
>>>any way to distinguish them.
>>
>> The other word classes are pronouns, quantity words, determiners, conjunctions, case prepositions, and other particles. The first 2 of these can be inflected (pronouns are like predicates but are univalent). A predicate or pronoun form can constitute a clause by itself; otherwise, the first acts as the head of the clause, with the others organized into phrases (the case prepositions and determiners help there). Non-head predicates and pronouns must be marked as having a 3rd person argument. I'll have to come up with some examples later.
>
>Hm. This seems very alien to my intuition of what "pronoun" means.

An example where a pronoun is head of a clause (actually, the whole clause):
ProxA-2. "This is you."
The animate demonstrative pronoun ProxA takes a 2nd person subject affix.

When not a head of a clause, ProxA would be either 3AnimS (unmarked!) or -3AnimP (the equivalent of a plural marker).
The personal pronouns are always unmarked in this usage (although I haven't decided what to do about 2nd person).

>On 3 February 2015 at 06:57, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>[...]
>> Unfortunately, that scheme no longer works -- there are 7 classes now:
>>
>> U--U impersonal: rain
>> U--A animate: water(1), cat, happy, school of fish
>> U--I inanimate: water(2), cup, hot, break, flow, orange grove
>> A--U agentive: die, run
>> A--A ???: mother, friend, give, flock
>> A--I transitive: hand, inhabit, kick, see, in
>> I--I ???: fruit, grove
>>
>> I'll probably just use numbers or the letter pairs for the abbreviations, but I still need some names.
>>
>> The kinship system may turn out to be interesting: I need only one word for each relationship, not two, e.g. "child/parent" or "younger/older sibling".
>
>It seems to me you've done a pretty good job of naming the classes
>right here already.
>
>UU: Impersonal class - I class
>UA: Animate class - A class
>UI: Inanimate class - N class (I was already taken)
>AU: Agentive class - G class (A was taken)
>AI: Transitive class - T class

If I use something else for Impersonal, maybe U, I can use I for Inanimate, which also avoids N which is used in the 1st part of the label:

M Inherent, Mass
N Inherent, Count
H Habitual
S Transient, Scalar
T Transient, Telic
V Transient, Other

I'd also like to avoid T for Transitive. Possibly there are other names for that and Agentive?

>That just leaves AA and II, which you've marked with question marks.
>AA seems like it's for relations (kinship terms, group membership,
>with "give" as a less prototypical member), so how about Relational /
>R-class?

"Relational" sounds good; I was going to reserve R for Reciprocal (some roots are automatically reciprocal), though.

>For II, I don't see, based on your example words, what significant
>difference there is between that and UI. So, maybe just call them both
>Intransitive / N-class, distinguished by a sub-type? E.g., the UI
>class could be class N1 or class Na, while the II class could be class
>N2 or class Nb.
>
>-l.

I was thinking of calling II Configurational.

BTW I hope to comment on your sketch later.

Jeff

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