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CONLANG May 2015, Week 1

Subject:

Re: I loves her (was: Development of conlang Muai)

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 5 May 2015 13:41:06 -0300

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2015-05-05 5:27 GMT-03:00 And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>:

> On 4 May 2015 23:12, "Leonardo Castro" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering a reform of Muai that would make it looks a little like
> its
> > verbs conjugate in agreement with the object instead of with the subject.
> > Can you name some language with that type of conjugation?
>
> What grammatical criteria distinguish subjects and objects in Muai, such
> that they are to be categorized as subjects and objects?
>

Well, it's a little hard to explain because I lack some grammatical
vocabulary for concepts whose existence in other languages I'm not even
aware of. One of the most important word classes in Muai are
"nominal-verbal roots": each one of them define two nouns and two verbs:

   - a "morphological subject", sometimes similar to English -er words
   (player, lover, sender, addresser, etc.);

   - a "morphological object", sometimes similar to English -ed or -able
   words (game [= playable thing], loved/lovable thing, sent thing (order),
   recipient [addressed person], etc.);

   - a "subject-to-object verb form", similar to the active voice (to play,
   to love, to send, to address, etc.)

   and

   - an "object-to-subject verb form", similar to the passive voice (to
   play, to love, to send, to address, etc.)

For instance, from the root "kiaf-" we get, in the current version,

   - kiafi : aggressor
   - kiafu : victim
   - kiafe : to aggress, to attack
   - kiafo : to be aggressed by, to be attacked by

So,

*.kiafi kiafe kiafu.*

mean "the aggressor attacked the victim". The -e suffix (or whatever it is
called) of the verb "kiafe" looks as if it had something to do with the -i
suffix (OWIIC) of "kiafi".

In the new version of Muai I'm planning, I would exchange the suffixes -e
and -o:

   - kiafi : aggressor
   - kiafu : victim
   - kiafo : to aggress, to attack
   - kiafe : to be aggressed by, to be attacked by

So, that sentence would be rewritten as

*.kiafi kiafo kiafu.*
and now the -o suffix looks like it agrees with the "morphological object"
(o~u).

Naturally, a "morphological object" can be the "syntactic suject" and
vice-versa:

*.kiafu kiafe kiafi.* (current version)
*.kiafu kiafo kiafi. *(candidate version)
*The victim attacked the aggressor.*

The candidate version will maybe be more coherent with the current system
of building compounds using -e- and -o- (
http://leolucas.conlang.org/muai-compounds.html):

   - *sioki* : player
   - *sioko *: to play (candidate version)
   - *siokio* (or sioki-o) : player of, i.e., a player (sioki) that plays
   (sioko), sioki + sioko = siokio


   - *sefuoti* : football
   - *sioki-o-sefuoti* : player of football, football player

Are you for that change? Remember that Muai is an engelang that should have
an intuitive grammar.

Até mais!

Leonardo


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