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CONLANG May 2015, Week 3

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Re: first/second/third person

From:

"Adsina A." <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 17 May 2015 14:38:02 -0500

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Thanks! Looking at one of the references on that page that seems not to be
true however:

*2.5.1 Personal Pronouns** (no ergative case; S=A;O)*





*SG*





*PL*









*ABS*

*OBL*



*ABS*

*OBL*





*1*

*na*

*t:u-*



*žu*

*žu-*





*2*

*ina*

*wi-*



*zu*

*zu-*





*Inklusive: žu k**’iyagu **(= **‚we, the TWO’)   *

*Exclusive: žuwa k**’iwas:a** and variants*

*Third Person = Deixis / ga and tā represent the preferred anaphora" *

http://wschulze.userweb.mwn.de/Lak.htm#morphosyntax

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:23 AM, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> This is the reference I mentioned:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lak_language#Grammar
> "Although the pronominal systems of most languages distinguish between the
> first, second, and third persons (as well as number), Lak is one of the few
> languages that distinguishes only between speech-act participants and
> non-speech-act participants. In other words, the first- and second-person
> pronouns are the same."
>
> stevo
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:59 AM, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Just a few days ago I came across mention in Wikipedia of a language that
> > makes no distinction between 1st and 2nd person, at least in the
> pronouns.
> > I'll try to find the reference.
> >
> > stevo
> >
> > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Siva Kalyan <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> In Chinese and Japanese, dedicated personal pronouns are a relatively
> >> recent phenomenon; in pre-modern texts one finds a wide variety of ways
> to
> >> refer to the speaker or addressee, with ample room for creativity; and
> even
> >> in modern Japanese, it is in many cases more common to refer to oneself
> or
> >> one’s addressee using a name or a title than a pronoun. Certainly the
> >> category of “person” is of no direct grammatical relevance in these
> >> languages.
> >>
> >> I think it would be hard to find a language that has *no* way of
> >> distinguishing between reference to the addressee and reference to a
> >> non-addressee (for obvious communicative reasons). But some languages
> may
> >> simply not care about this distinction in their grammar.
> >>
> >> Siva
> >>
> >> > On 16 May 2015, at 1:30 pm, Adsina A. <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Are there any natural languages that make distinctions between
> persons,
> >> but
> >> > do not do so on the basis of whether the addresser/addressee are
> >> involved
> >> > in the action? For instance, a language that distinguishes between
> >> > proximate and obviate pronouns, but not between second/third person
> >> > pronouns? Or maybe just a language that *only* distinguishes between
> >> first
> >> > person and non-first person pronouns?
> >>
> >
> >
>

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