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Re: Dealing with Semantic Drift in your Diachronics

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BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 30 May 2015 20:22:45 +0200

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Den 2015-05-30 19:47, R A Brown skrev:
> Delurking briefly...
>
> On 30/05/2015 11:16, BPJ wrote:
>> I guess we all have one part of language which interests
>> us more. With me it's phonology.
>
> ... and, as those who've been on this list a long time will
> have realized, it is also what most interests me - which is
> why the phonology sections on Britainese are coming on too
> slowly (actually I am a bit further advanced and must update
> my online pages) - and why I have not yet discovered the
> native name of Britainese      :)
>
>> Most instances where I really have fiddled with semantics
>> were caused by sound changes making unrelated words
>> similar or causing unwanted merger.  One example in
>> Rhodrese is that FILIUS FILIOS and FILIAS merge as _figl_
>> /fiʎ/
>
> Interesting - with me it is that FILIU(M) and FILIA(M) (are
> likely to) merge as _fil_, with plural _fils_.

Then surely FILIOLA can come to the rescue!

>
>> so I let FILIOLUS
>>> _figláu_ take over the general meaning of 'son' while
>> another diminutive _figline_ means 'daughter', _figl_
>> remaining as a plurale tantum meaning 'sons and/or
>> daughters' as in _gli mi figl son dipertied
>> all"universidià_ "my children (son(s) and
>> daughter(s))are gone to university".
>
> I agree that in this situation it is likely "daughter" would
> be expressed by some (originally) diminutive form.  I
> wonder, however, whether in a Romance language a separate
> specifically masculine forms would have developed to leave
> an original plural to mean "sons & daughters"; in Romance
> languages the tendency is to use masculine plural to cover
> both genders, cf. Spanish _mis padres_ = "my parents."

True, but in Rhodrese the masculine singular and plural FILIUM and 
FILIOS also merge as _figl_, since with Latin _ī_ in the root 
there can be no umlaut in the plural, which I deemed would have 
been felt as a problem with that particular word. Both _figláu_ 
and _figline_ have distinct plurals _figléú_ and _figlí_ respectively.

Then _figl_ took on the meaning which so to speak was the least 
common denominator of its tripartite ambiguity.  I felt it 
wouldn't disappear entirely.

/bpj

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