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Subject:

Re: Segmenting bible verses

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Piotr Bański <[log in to unmask]>

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Piotr Bański <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:17:06 +0200

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Dear Matija,

I'm afraid that you need to rephrase the question, having modified your 
assumptions. You wrongly assume the structure

<p>
    <ab/>
</p>

whereas <ab> is meant to be used instead of <p> here -- you don't need 
both together.

So you have a series of verses in <ab>s. These are contained within 
<div>s, I presume, for the larger divisions of Biblical text.

Now, are you concerned with the sentence division inside and across verses?

Best regards,

   Piotr

On 17/06/15 08:45, Matija Ogrin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I ask for advice, related to this interesting thread from 2013. The last
> posts propose to use 'anonymous block' <ab> for Bible verses, e.g.:
>
> <p>
>     <ab type="verse" n="3">And God said, Let there be light: and there
> was light.</ab> <!-- ... -->
> </p>
>
> The other type of solution that appears in some biblical projects relies
> on <milestone>, e.g.:
>
> <p>
>     <milestone unit="verse" n="3"/>And God said, Let there be light: and
> there was light. <!-- ... -->
> </p>
>
> The first approach is based on "container-elements", the second on
> "delimiters". As my colleagues start to prepare an edition of the oldest
> Slovenian Bible in TEI, we wish to ask what are the possible
> (dis)advantages of the two approaches, esp. from the point of view of
> 1 - possible overlapping hierarchies, and
> 2 - adding other translations as parallel apparatus.
>
> <milestone>Plans are established by seeking advice :) Thank you,
>
> Matija
>
>
> Dne 08. 11. 2013 ob 13:19 je Lou Burnard zapisal(a):
>> +1 from me. In fact, this use (and that of the First Folio) were the
>> main motivations for adding <ab> to the TEI!
>>
>>
>> On 08/11/13 12:08, James Cummings wrote:
>>> I'd definitely agree with Gabby (and Piotr) here. The canonical use
>>> for <ab> is in my mind bible verses. They are not metrical lines, they
>>> are not paragraphs. An 'anonymous block' is a good way to mark them.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> On 08/11/13 11:55, Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>>>> I think Piotr early in the last thread suggested `<ab>`, which
>>>> doesn't have the semantic baggage of `<p>`. I use it for almost
>>>> all groupings of sub-div-level text.
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-11-08 11:53, Christian Chiarcos wrote:
>>>>> Yet another (and probably stupid) question:
>>>>>
>>>>> what would be the most appropriate markup up an original Bible
>>>>> verse:
>>>>>
>>>>> - <l>: In fact, it can be said to be a line of verse, but this
>>>>> is not
>>>>> verse in the poetic sense (as apparently presupposed in TEI).
>>>>> In poetic
>>>>> renderings of the bible, the two definitions of verse would clash.
>>>>> - <p>: In modern editions, Bible verses are often written within a
>>>>> single paragraph, but this is not systematically the case.
>>>>> - <seg type="verse">: This was used in the old CES scheme. No
>>>>> longer
>>>>> possible in TEI because <seg> is not allowed as a child of <div>
>>>>> anymore, and marking chapter-level divs as <p> would be even more
>>>>> unjustified than using <p> for verses.
>>>>> - <span type="verse">: In a way it can be said that assigning a
>>>>> verse id
>>>>> "associates an interpretative annotation directly with a span
>>>>> of text"
>>>>> but I'm a little bit in doubt whether this really qualifies as an
>>>>> "interpretative annotation".
>>>>>
>>>>> Both <l> and <p> are problematic, because the units under
>>>>> consideration
>>>>> are not directly grounded in text structure but in traditional
>>>>> verse
>>>>> numbering (regardless of how manifested in the respective
>>>>> edition).
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, I'm inclined to work with span, because it would be an
>>>>> isomorphic mapping from the old CES specs, but I might have
>>>>> overlooked
>>>>> some more suitable alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

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