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CONLANG  June 2015, Week 3

CONLANG June 2015, Week 3

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Re: So ... ah ... Logograms?

From:

Zach Wellstood <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:59:00 -0400

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liyaá' łi!

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 10:11:07 -0400, Zach Wellstood <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >Viisyal is impressive & aesthetically appealing to me:
> >http://viisyal.tumblr.com
> ​​
>  Do you know what its relation to hanzi is?  Is it meant to be a
> descendant or sister vel sim of hanzi, or is the creator just using them as
> a sort of organising principle, or something else?
>

The conlang wikia page on Viisyal is tremendous in detail (
http://conlang.wikia.com/wiki/Viisyal). I've followed this conlang for a
while on Tumblr and its aesthetics are very pleasing to me. Here's what I
found about the use of hanzi:

"​Behind the scenes, the alphabet was created a-priori.  Ideographic
characters were based on merging Egyptian Hieratic letterforms with the
placement of CJK radicals."

There is actually a conworld/conculture-internal lineage of the conscript
given on the page though.

"Old Warlok, the ancestor of Viisyal, created its alphabet based on native
pictographs. Letter names still reflect the original pictograph, such as
/kiloku/ "hill" for /k/ based on a triangular drawing of a hill, and /ailu/
"cradle" for /ai/ based on a drawing of two arms cradling a baby . After
exposure to the then dominant Old Rotenmuhl empire, Old Warlok adapted the
character writing system from that language."

Pity about the click inventory.  I've said it before, the way clicks are
> represented in the IPA is completely deceptive to the unwary conlanger as
> to what's naturalistic.
>

​tsk tsk
There is some diachronic derivation of the clicks given on the Wikia page.

​English and Ewe have​ fairly productive (nonphonemic) uses of clicks to
convey pragmatic information, and in these two languages they don't occur
with any 'naturalistic'  (in the limited sense of the term in this case, as
And points out rightly) coarticulations that we find in Khoisan. I'm sure
if clicks were a more widely used group of phonemes, there would be a gamut
as wide (and 'naturalistic') as with stops and their many degrees of
aspiration/voicing. Unfortunately, we're not there yet, so the only way of
having 'naturalistic' clicks is to do what Khoisan languages do. I don't
see the inclusion of clicks as an immediate fault, but they're usually a
quick dip in the pool of easy exoticism, I think. Conlangers ought to have
some knowledge of African linguistics before including clicks because
they're cool, etc. with no working knowledge of African languages.

I heard once a theory that clicks may have arisen as dramatic
simplifications to complex consonant clusters. Maybe one day in several
millenia we'll have click-Salish or click-Russian.

Zach

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