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CONLANG  June 2015, Week 3

CONLANG June 2015, Week 3

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Re: Naturalistic Grammars

From:

Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:01:03 -0700

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On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


I was (and still am) buried under things, but have noticed I was called out
and so should belatedly respond.

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:02:22 -0700, David Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

The basic premise of grammaticalization is that all morphological
expression has its roots in lexical expression. No morphology (i.e. just
stringing discreet words that don’t inflect at all together) is assumed to
be state zero.

Of course, the basic premise of grammaticalisation is false, when stated
that baldly.  For example -- and I don't have time to look up details now,
apologies -- it is attested that a difference in meaning can be
spontaneously attached to a difference between two forms in a paradigm
which had earlier been in free variation as expressions of the same
meaning.  But of course all sentences in linguistics with universal
quantifiers are false, outside the study of individual languages, and once
one has learned that "all" in linguistspeak should be glossed as "most" in
Standard English, it's an eminently sensible premise.  It's certainly a
good thought to bear in mind.

Yes, indeed: *Most* morphological expression has its roots in lexical
expression. I think we can all agree with that.

Some time ago I decided to explore what the *minimum* grammar of a language
might be. This never got much further than a sketchlang, and I no longer
have my notes. I started with “state zero” and then added grammatical
elements only if I needed them to make the language “work.” By that I mean
if I couldn’t say stuff in the language I wanted to say because of the lack
of a grammatical element, then I added one in. If to say something simple,
without grammar, required phrase after periphrastic phrase, then I judged
that to be unworkable. I acknowledge that this was my personal subjective
opinion.

In any case, the answer to how much grammar is needed for a language to be
workable was:  Not very much.  A bit of syntax to help resolve ambiguities.
Some adpositions to clarify the intent behind a word. That was it.  (It was
a pure isolating language, by the way.)

However, it was still rather inefficient. And it was clear, to me, that in
a speech community, given enough time, grammar would spontaneously arise to
make discourse more efficient.

On the other hand, it is possible to go in the other direction and create a
language with a *maximum* grammar. (I’ve never tried that.) At some point,
the grammar will become so large and unwieldy (I hypothesize), that given
enough time many of the forms will fuse or wash away; and for the same
reason as before:  To make discourse more efficient.

Diachronically, natlangs (for which we have written historical records)
seem to oscillate around a “sweet spot” of grammaticalization. Part of a
naturalistic grammar is finding that sweet spot for your conlang. In my
personal opinion, most artlangs are too grammatically complex; the authors
are overly enamored of intriguing grammatical features. But, then again,
much of conlanging, just like all artistic endeavors, is about the process
of creation, rather than the end result. Which is to say, have *fun*
conlanging. It’s not only about the results.

Jeffrey

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