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CONLANG July 2015, Week 1

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Re: statistical naturalism of alphabets

From:

Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:44:30 -0700

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> The alphabet we're using now, of course, owes its nature to the fact
> that the Greeks happened to be exposed to an abjad.  The Greeks
> applied the acrophonic principle to jump directly from an abjad to an
> alphabet, but that doesn't seem to be a necessary step; plene
> spellings as found say in Hebrew will get you there eventually, or at
> least most of the way.  Anyway, abjads are perhaps the expected
> outcome of syllabaries in a language of the Semitic body type where
> the vowels bear exceptionally little semantic brunt.  But that is a
> rare morphological type, so not many worlds should have alphabets that
> arise this way.

I've played with a Latin-based abjad for English (since unstressed
vowels have low salience).

> Every alphabet or abugida on earth ultimately owes its nature to
> Afro-Asiatic in the same way.  So how would you get one if not by this
> expedient?
>
> Maybe you could do it by sound change.  Take a language with a CV
> syllabary and have some Vs become zero so that the corresponding
> glyphs now serve for C alone.  The resulting system would be messy,
> but a little script borrowing could straighten it out into an
> alphabet.

AIUI real world languages with abugidas that had some Vs go to zero
innovated viramas, chillus (half-forms), and ligatures to spell
consonants without vowels but continued to spell syllables as units
rather than fully transitioning to separate consonant and vowel
letters.

> Is it actually believable that you could get alphabets without any
> special artifice like the above?  I wonder what would have happened,
> e.g., if the Sanskrit speakers had encountered only a syllabary when
> they were first exposed to writing -- what's special about them is
> that they invented the science of phonology, and knew what their
> language's segmental inventory was, at the pre-literate stage.
>
> If you have an origin story for alphabetic (vel sim) writing in your
> conworld I'd love to hear it.

I haven't sone much work on the Ekmar-Tenkar writing system, but my
current conception is for it to be a mixed CV/VC syllabary + tone
marks. It began as purely CV (or close to it) using the principle of
C₁V+C₂V with equal V spelling C₁VC₂ (e.g. <ke ke> = /kek/), but sound
change made that unworkably ambiguous so they innovated a set of VC
characters based on turning or flipping the CV ones so C₁VC₂ is
spelled as C₁V+VC₂. I presume the original syllabary derived from
something more logographic but I don't intend to go back that far.

In Ilion, <j> derived from a form more like insular g <ᵹ>. This is
really just my way of excusing the existence of <j> for /dZ/ in a
world that is not ours. Excusing the existence of the Latin alphabet
in a world that is not our own in the first place is left as an
exercise for the reader.

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