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Subject:

Re: All I want to be is ....

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Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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On 15 July 2015 at 19:09, Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I was listening to a Peter Frampton song, "All I Want To Be (Is By Your
> Side)" and realized that it sounded a bit grammatically strange to me. In
> Tirëlat, the best I can do is "Ŋaj ni lĕnamağan tuun ten u rĕrugi", which
> clearly is a bit odd ("tuun" should have another noun after it, not a
> prepositional phrase). Instead, "Tsoš lĕnamağan ten u rĕrugi" (I just want
> to be by your side) is a more sensible way to express it. (Rhythmically, "vë
> rugi u ree" works better.) In English I might say "All I want is to be by
> your side".
>
> What about similar phrases: do any of these work in anyone's langs (con or
> nat)?
>
> All I want to be is your man
> All I want to be is free
> All I want to be is loved
> All I want to be is yours
> All I want to be is like you
> All I want to be is sedated

All of these should work in Wjerih Sarak, if I had the appropriate
vocabulary items for them. I don't have a good translation for "want",
but in the appropriate context I think the modal "pek" (indicating a
state that is consistent with contextual ideals) would have an
appropriate reading.

From that basis, I can start to translate "I want to be". WSL lacks an
equivalent for the infinitive "to be", but I can approximate it as "I
want that I am _". That comes out as

"Ka _=u jes pek". Literally, that's something like "It would be a good
thing if I were...", with the "*I* want it" part implied.

Now We need to relativize that and apply a universal quantifier to the
resulting noun phrase:

"ves voramu jes pek" ~ "everything that it would be good if I were"

Now we stick that into a subset-copula clause.

"All I want to be is _" ~ "Ka _=u ves voramu jes pek es"

"By your side" is a little difficult to translate, but it's an idiom,
so I feel justified in simplifying it to "next to / near you" for the
WSL version. I'll claim that that's the equivalent idiom until/unless
I come up with a better one. :) Thus we have

Ka dwmotinu ves voramu jes pek es.
"A near-you-thing is what everything that it would be good for me to be is."

Or, with dislocation to eliminate multiple modals piling up in a row at the end:

Ka dwmotinu ves mek (es) voramu jes pek.

Since this is supposed to be poetic, though, I kind of like the
lyricism of "jes pek es"; it would normally sound a little odd to pile
up modals like that, so it does a good job of maintaining the unusual
feeling of the English original. For the rest of them:

"All I want to be is your man." ~"Ka dwumin martu ves voramu jes pek es."
"All I want to be is free." ~ "Ka ankahu/ansadzu ves voramu jes pek
es." (ankah = independent, ansadz = unconstrained)
"All I want to be is loved." ~ "Ka sirjoinu ves voramu jes pek es."
"All I want to be is yours." ~ "Ka dwuminu ves voramu jes pek es."
"All I want to be is like you." ~ "Ka meku, vorama manu dw jo, ves
voramu jes pek es."
The phrase "like you" turned out to be surprisingly difficult,
requiring a relative clause meaning "that which is similar to you".
"All I want to be is sedated" ~ I have no word for "sedate", but I
think you can probably see the pattern by now....

-l.

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