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Re: Glottal stop in German

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And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:31:54 +0100

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Mark J. Reed, On 05/08/2015 18:42:
>> I would indeed take [ŋ] to be a realization of /ng/ for all dialects of
> English
>
> In that case, what determines whether /ng/ becomes [ŋg] (finger) vs just [ŋ]
> (singer)?

To avoid getting bogged down in the detail of my actual answer, I'll give a simplified answer: /ng/ is [ŋ] word-finally, and [ŋg] otherwise. More exactly, the /g/ in /ng/ is realized as [_] (i.e. phonetic nullity) word-finally, and as [g] otherwise. The simplification in the answer has to do with what counts as a 'word' or whatever we call the relevant phonological domain. _Singer_ is a word within a word, [[sing]er].

To anticipate the questions that you would ask next:
1. Although _longer_ is made up of _long_ and _-er_, they are exceptionally combined into a single simplex word, [longer] rather than than [[long]er], in a form that is actually suppletive. (So it is similar to _best_, which is made up of _be-_ and _-st_, in a simplex [best].)
2. For those who pronounce words like _hangar_ and _dinghy_ without [g], they are [[hang]er] (something that involves 'hanging', whatever this 'hanging' is) and [[ding]y] (a little 'ding', a 'ding' presumably being a boat).
3. The evidence for the morphological analysis in 1 & 2 is purely phonological. The overall analysis is therefore circular. Glottolinguistics (my term for the branch of linguistics that belongs to natural philosophy -- see my future reply to BP that I have not yet got around to writing) is inherently circular: its goal is to provide the simplest analysis of the set of grammatical sentences; there is no uncircular process whereby new analyses are based on known facts.

Jason Cullen, On 05/08/2015 18:47:>>
>> In English, /S/+C in onsets (_shmuck, shlong, shnozz, shtoom,_ etc.) is
>> restricted to word-initial position. That's not exactly an instance of a
>> phoneme confined to a particular position, but it is an example of a
>> particular phonological configuration restricted to word-initial positions,
>> so I accept there are instances of such restrictions.
>
> If I could weigh in here, /S/C sequences are not restricted to word-initial
> positions. You could reschmooze someone. While {re-}+schmooze is not a
> dictionary-listed term, it's a perfectly acceptable 'utterance' from a
> native speaker of English (maybe not Yiddish).

This would be another case of a word within a word: [re[shmooze]]. In my own work I don't use the term 'word' for this; I was using it in this discussion just so as to use simpler terminology, rather than torturing anybody with my own terminological innovations.

Jason Cullen, On 05/08/2015 18:54:
>> In that case, what determines whether /ng/ becomes [ŋg] (finger) vs
>> just [ŋ] (singer)?
>
> I suspect two things. First, English loves Maximize Onset, where coda
> consonants move to occupy empty onsets. (Example: "teach" [tiːtʃ], but
> "teacher" [ˈtiː.tʃɚ] (/tʃ/ moves from coda of the stem to the onset of the
> suffix, creating a CVCV word). However, English has a constraint */ŋ/ in
> onsets. (Which is why so many Americans nearly go mad trying to learn
> Tibetan or Cantonese, where you have 'ng' in onsets.) So /ŋ/--> [g]/s[__
> (That is, a velar nasal becomes a velar stop when it is in the onset of a
> syllable.)

What's your story for _singer_? It can't be that the internal word-boundary blocks Onset Maximization, because you've already said Onset Maximization applies to _teacher_.

--And.

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