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Britainese phonology - further musings

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R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:56:32 +0100

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On 30/07/2015 11:19, R A Brown wrote:
[snip]
>> I wonder if this isn't a place where you'd gain more
>> likable options with a greater number of diachronic
>> focal times.  Perhaps, to name one of myriad options,
>> Middle Britainese has [ptS) bdZ)] here which relax
>> further to [wtS) wdZ)] in later Britainese.
>
> I find it quite interesting that you are the third person,
> besides myself, to have independently come up with this.
> Certainly it will be given careful consideration.

I have, and I now rule it out for three reasons:
- my musing on it in the first place was indulging in my 
lámatyáve.  I have tried hard to resist lámatyáve and to 
look for objective criteria.
- I can find no justification from Welsh and English 
developments *here* to suggest that the peoples in Britain 
*there* are likely to have gone through such a sound change;
- I have found a paper dealing with [+ LABIAL, + 
PALATALIZED] where the author considers this phenomenon over 
a great variety of languages.  While the change [pj] -> 
[p]+[ʧ ] (or some similar affricate) is not uncommon in 
languages other than Romance, I find no examples in natlangs 
where the labial has then become a semivowel.

One thing I was reminded of is that similar changes took 
place in Proto-Greek where, e.g. [pj] -> [pc] -> [pt] as in
*klepjo: -> *klepco: -> klepto:  "I steal"

This is not dissimilar from the [pj] -> [pʧ] we find in some 
Romance languages.

>> And to comment on something you didn't ask about -- I've
>> aired before my worry that your procedure for
>> discovering Britainese biasses towards a conservative
>> language.
>
> Conservative compared with Francien and, therefore, modern
> French, maybe -

Yes, I shan't be doing things like changing Vulgar Latin 
*sa'putʊ "known" into [sy] as Modern French has done!

I said in an earlier email that I was not trying to produce 
a Romance language more mellifluous than standard Italian; 
likewise I am not trying produce a language more 
phonologically innovative than French.     :)

-- 
Ray
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