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CONLANG  August 2015, Week 2

CONLANG August 2015, Week 2

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Re: Temporary vocabulary

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J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:05:57 -0400

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On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 22:23:43 -0400, Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>taliesin the storyteller wrote:
>> J S Jones is using temporary vocab in his not to be spoken Jul23/C6, and
>> I've had to resort to a lot of temporary vocab in especially relays,
>> beause some symbol to mark place and meaning is needed in a hurry while
>> finding the proper, final expression/representaion of same meaning can
>> be very, very hard... for me at least.
>>
>> How common is having to resort to temporary vocabulary? Do you keep
>> track of them all so you can change them all the hypothetical day when
>> you find the proper expresssion/representation so you can easily to a
>> global search/replace? Do you mark them somehow? In Taruven I suffix
>> them with {vuh}, meaning "word", with not much system in what goes in
>> front off the vuh, as long as it is unique.
>
>My recent vocabulary lists have used color coding to mark provisional
>vs. well-established words. Most new words start at red, and may spend
>some time at orange before getting to green and eventually blue.
>Temporary or random vocabulary starts out as pink, typically undergoing
>one or more changes before becoming established in the language.
>
>In theory even the blue words can change, but it's less likely at that
>point.

I've tried using status codes, mostly just referring to the 1st text the root appeared in.

>> What do you do to find the "real" word to replace the placeholder with,
>> besides generating all possible roots in the language and picking one
>> more or less randomly?
>>
>> t.
>
>I've had limited success with random generation. Usually the random
>words don't sound quite right for the part, and they don't fit well with
>other randomly selected words. I might look for a gap in the vocabulary,
>a pattern of sounds I haven't used in a while, or words with vaguely
>similar meanings that might have been related in the distant past.
>
>Selecting a word for a meaning, or a meaning for a word, is one of those
>things that just takes familiarity with the language and having a feel
>for what fits and what doesn't.

I find that when a word sounds right, it's usually because it suggests a word or words I know in some natlang (or sometimes a conlang). For my May29 exolang, I tried to make up words that _didn't_ sound right and for Jul23/C6, I can't do either since there's no pronunciation -- I could probably use a random generator there!

Jeff

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