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CONLANG  September 2015, Week 1

CONLANG September 2015, Week 1

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Re: OT: non-standard pronouns mandated at University of Tennessee, Knoxville

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 1 Sep 2015 04:25:17 -0400

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Singular "they" has been in use since at least Shakespeare's time.
Expanding "it" to include the domains of "he" and "she" makes a lot of
sense to me, too.

stevo

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:13 AM, And Rosta <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Amanda Babcock Furrow, On 01/09/2015 04:13:
>
>> You guys do realize that people are already using things like ze/zir
>> online, right?
>>
>
> Yes, in my case, telltale evidence being where I said "folk who actually
> use neologistic epicene pronouns use them just when the antecedent is
> specific".
>
> If epicene pronouns in English survive past the current wave of
>> interest, the ones people are already using are far more likely to
>> survive than ones conlangers helpfully try to come up with at this
>> late date :)
>>
>
> I think you must have skipped the previous messages in the thread.
>
> Heck, I saw ze/zir in use on some forums back in 1994.  (Didn't know
>> anyone pronounced them zhe, though.  Still not convinced about that.)
>>
>> And yeah, that also applies to singular-they used with a definite
>> antecedent.  I've seen that one used in conversation and (some online
>> subsets of) fiction a lot, and I have to say it does actually create
>> some confusion over whether the referent is singular or plural.
>>
>
> The same singular/plural ambiguity and confusion arises in 'standard'
> English with THEM and YOU. With YOU, the reflexive form is unambiguously
> singular or plural. With THEM, lects vary as to whether singular THEM's
> reflexive form is _themself_ or _themselves_.
>
> --And.
>

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