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CONLANG  October 2015, Week 3

CONLANG October 2015, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Expulsion of loglangs from CONLANG-L

From:

And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:07:03 +0100

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On 20 Oct 2015 16:28, "David McCann" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 04:15:21 +0530
> Sid <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > The loglang discussions are annoying. It's a bunch of opinions and
> > arguments about linguistic superiority and nitpicks.
>
> Hear, hear!
>
> But the real point is not that the loglang discussions have been boring
> and irritating, but that they are not relevant to any conglanger who
> doesn't work on them.

I've been trying to fathom why the loglang discussions provoke these
protests. It surely can't be the reason you give, because firstly a conlang
of type X can still be interesting to a conlanger who doesn't work on
conlangs of type X and secondly hardly any of us work on conlangs of every
type, so a ukase against discussing conlangs of any type some of us don't
work on would immediately extinguish all on-topic discussion.

My explanation is that loglang discussion elicits protests because it is
sometimes so prolific, and discussion of engelangs and in particular
loglangs gets so prolific precisely because they are so interesting and are
interesting in a way that is conducive to intense discussion. They pose
design problems such that multiple minds can agree on the nature of the
problem and can agree on the extent to which a given design constitutes a
solution. I think the same is true even of auxlang design, for those, such
as Leo Moser, who think the ideal auxlang is a kind of a posteriori
distillation of natlangs: oodles of meaningful discussion can be had about
the optimal design based on that premise. Contrast this with, say, interest
in artlangs: we can unite in our appreciation of, say, Tsolyani or Kamakawi
or Old Albic, but that union of appreciation still doesn't lend itself to
intense and prolific discussion.

> why, at the time of the Great Sundering, were those then on the
> list not similarly tolerant?

Tellingly, I have no recollection of the events leading up to the Great
Sundering. I presume I must have skimmed or skipped all those threads or
messages from posters whose messages experience had led me to expect would
hold no interest for me. But those who do remember say it got flamey, which
would be about the only time this list has ever been flamey.

> when just a couple of people have some
> overriding interest that clearly not shared by others, might they not
> consider a private discussion?

Every topic discussed here is motivated by an interest not shared by
others.

--And.

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