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CONLANG  October 2015, Week 3

CONLANG October 2015, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Principles for IALs

From:

Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:08:08 -0700

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Hello "temporary",
I think you'll get better answers to these questions on the AUXLANG forum
(better = from people who have been thinking about these same issues for
years and years).
Jeffrey


On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Temporary Conlanger <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Greeting to everyone!
>
> I think the below principles are obvious, necessary for a conlang to
> be adopted as IAL, nevertheless there are many conlangs (all to some
> degree) violating them. From conlangs I've read about, "Glosa" and
> "Lingua Franca Nova" seem closest, hence best. Would "Glosa" fit the
> below, if ancient latin/greek vocab would be replaced with the below
> mentioned mostly modern english (written, not pronunciation)
> vocabulary already in use? Basically these priciples imply a
> trivial-to-learn grammar onto established international/english vocab,
> to minimize learning effort and overall switching cost.
>
> Principles for International Auxillary Languages:
> ============================
>
> international auxillary language => learnable & adaptable => familiar
> & orthogonal
>
> (orthogonal: grammar does not force you to express something when not
> intended/needed/known e.g. gender number emphasis time ...; instead
> express by lexical means i.e. more words which is always optional)
>
> * no inflections (because they cause stem/suffix-change ie fusion and
> irregularity which slow learning and make literal adoption of
> loanwords problematic)
>
> * no sound/gender/number/... agreement (because they slow learning and
> are redundant since they cannot remove ambiguity of association in
> general anyway)
>
> * no gender/number (e.g. sheep, food, fish; e.g. "he-or-she",
> "he-or-she-or-it")
>
> * no tenses (express lexically instead)
>
> * strict meaningful word order (since words have to be in order anyway
> and will contribute to meaning anyway, but if not used for essential
> meaning then it will be abused to express mostly redundant
> emphasis/subtleties causing more learning effort and misunderstanding;
> if meaning of verb contains the argument order then cases/preps can be
> avoided e.g. "I give you flowers" hence concise)
>
> * phonetic (i.e. pronunciation of every letter is context independent)
>
> * no tones
>
> * vocabulary Globalized/Colonial/English/Latin/Greek (already in use
> hence everyone needs to learn it anyway)
>
> * no lexical distinction btw verb/noun/adjective (faster learning,
> e.g. I water the flowers. I use water power. I drink some water.)
>
>
> Flaws of existing languages:
> =================
>
> By "flaws" in this context I just mean: "these are the difficulties
> for adult learners of the language that could be avoided in a conlang
> or by evolving the language".
>
> flaws of English:
> --------------------
> * spelling/pronunciation
> * redundant/large vocabulary (subtelties when needed can be expressed
> with a few more common words rather than one rare word, do you like
> looking up word defs just because the author wanted to seem educated,
> could be solved if native educators would stop encouraging the use of
> rare/obscure words and they would be marked archaic/obsolete in
> dictionaries)
> * irregularities
> * too many tenses
> * inflections (but at least fewer than in the rest of Europe)
>
> flaws of Mandarin:
> -----------------------
> * characters
> * tones
> * its vocabulary only familiar to chinese speakers not
> worldwide/science/med/tech
>
> flaws of other European languages: inflections, ...
> flaws of other non-European languages: vocabulary not established as
> international already, ...
>
> Bye!
>

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